In this episode, James welcomes back Dr. Bryce Appelbaum to the Evolution of Medicine podcast to continue their previous discussion about functional optometry.
James and Dr. Appelbaum recently reconnected at an event tied to the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) initiative. Dr. Appelbaum approaches vision health from a functional medicine perspective and considers how functional vision issues can be implicated in seemingly unrelated cognitive issues, such as learning disabilities and ADHD.
Tune into this full conversation that explores:
- How practitioners are working to communicate the full scope of what is possible in terms of improving vision, cognition, and overall health for the benefit of public awareness
- Dr. Appelbaum has worked with Dave Asprey to demonstrate and document how targeted interventions can significantly improve vision
- Why early-life screen time damages children’s health, harming learning and focus
- How undiagnosed vision problems can have major impacts on health and wellbeing
- Which patients benefit most from ScreenFit
Use code EVOMED for $200 off on ScreenFit, the vision training program designed to minimize the negative effects of screens on vision and promote healthy visual habits.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
It’s estimated that over 80% of what’s learned in the classroom comes through the visual processing of information. And the data that is now outdated will say that sadly one in 10 kids has a vision problem significant enough to impact learning. I would say right now that’s probably four in 10, but we need to update that research. But that means there are millions of kids in the US that alone have treatable functional vision problems that are impacting their ability to focus and learn and read and just live a happy, healthy life.
James Maskell:
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Hello and welcome to the podcast. This week we are with Dr. Bryce Appelbaum. He is back on the show. He is the leader in functional medicine for vision and functional eyesight. A lot of exciting things have been happening recently. I’ve got to spend some time with him a few weeks ago. And also he’s got some big support coming in and ways that this is getting out to the general public.
And it was a really interesting time that we spent together today. I think it’s a really interesting podcast for a couple of reasons. One is even functional medicine doctors who see things that most doctors don’t think is possible, are not aware of just the degree to which people have functional vision problems and how vision affects their function, their brain. I think that’s interesting, and we just talked about some of those opportunities. If you have kids, if you are interested in ADD or if you’re interested in habit stacking, there’s something for everyone in this podcast. Enjoy.
A warm welcome back to the Evolution of Medicine podcast. It is Mr. Functional Medicine for Eyes, Dr. Bryce Appelbaum. Welcome, Doc.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Appreciate you having me back. And I guess we talked about important stuff if you want to keep this conversation rolling. So excited to be here.
James Maskell:
Yeah. Well that was the conversation that we had last week. We were at the MAHA ball together. We got to spend some time. I got to come and be at your home. And I just feel like this is such a critical issue and it’s had so little play in the functional medicine world and ultimately I just know that this is such a big thing in so many people’s lives since the last time we spoke. A lot’s happened, right? A lot’s happened and we’ll get into some of that. But I guess first just to capture the moment that we’re in and what you’re thinking is, I guess give us a moment on how you think about what you felt and saw at the MAHA ball and how you’re feeling about the sort of Make America Healthy movement and how it aligns with the way that you’re thinking and the work that you’re doing.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Yeah, I mean, politics aside, how freaking cool is it to see functional health and our country’s wellbeing be at the forefront and to be at that ball and have all the leaders in the functional medicine space and in the healthcare space all rallying together for the greater good and for the common cause of less end chronic illness and let’s extend lifespan and improve happiness. I mean, it was just so great to be a part of and personally having functional vision be a part of the conversation. I am just so grateful. We all talk about systemic health. We all talk about inflammation and what we can know better so we can do better, but vision needs to be in that conversation and with screens, with near stress, with toxins, with everything in our world that’s causing us to adapt and not live and thrive the way we’re intended to vision’s now in the conversation. So I thought that was awesome and man, you were bouncing around everybody there and making intros and the energy was palpable and I am sure you felt the same. Would love to hear your thoughts.
James Maskell:
Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like because my first job was working with kids on the spectrum and doctors who were working with kids on the spectrum, I feel like the sort of energy around that ball is almost like a celebration party and obviously we’re not quite where we’ll see what it actually turns into, but it was felt like a celebration for in some cases decades of hard work for people to try and get
These concepts out into the world. And I think the food movement has really helped to bolster it in the last few years because I think more and more people are just realizing how and saying the food policies are, but ultimately it’s the environmental toxins piece that is I think, mission critical and where our community is so strong because we’ve been in tension with this problem for decades. The doctors out there that have recognized the infectious issues, the toxic issues, and the way that it plays a role in chronic illness, this is really, really critical. And so yeah, it’s great to see people from all walks of my life and my last 20 years all in the same room together and just feeling like we have a voice and a seat at the table. And it’s been so niche for so long it’s been so out of the mainstream and five standard deviations from the middle of the conversation.
So it just feels excellent to be right in the middle of the conversation just for a moment, even if it’s for four years or whatever, I think a lot of people will get connected to a body of work and a body of evidence. And for me, particularly the way I’m feeling about it today is just that whatever happens on Capitol Hill, the journey to recover the country from chronic illness is alive and well. I think it can be a vast accelerant if done well, but in my world and what I’m up to and what other people who are doing great stuff in the world is up to, I think it’s actually unstoppable because the problem is just unmanageable and I just have to see it 20 years before everyone else. But ultimately I’m glad that people are catching up and I’m glad that so many people are now taking steps to be part of the solution. So it feels really cool.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
And this is for sure happening and the disruption that we’re all experiencing I think is validating that we’re having the right conversations and we’re poking the right areas. And it’s really cool to see unfold and I know we’re both pretty optimistic about what’s possible.
James Maskell:
Absolutely. Well look, a lot’s happened for you since we first were on there. Dr. Kristine Burke, who I work really closely with now with TruNeura, has been out to your facility for five days and came out there and worked on it. And now more recently, Dave Asprey’s been out there now that his podcast has dropped a couple of weeks ago about working with you. It seems like things may have changed for—
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Yeah, things have shifted a little bit. I mean with Dr. Burke, she’s all about brain health and eyes are extensions of the brain and we’re not coming close to what’s possible with brain health without looking at visual health as well. And had a great time with her, did a lot of work. She saw some pretty massive changes and changes that she didn’t even know were possible just based off of taking a proactive approach to eye brain connections. And with Dave Asprey, I just wanted to be able to have a really interesting conversation on his podcast and little did I know that was like the icing on the cake was lucky enough to have him spend a week with us, saw some amazing outcomes, and he documented the entire experience, talked about going from 20-40 to 20-20 in five days along with a lot of other stuff on the podcast.
And he is really cutting-edge in terms of getting out there what the world needs and letting us know that we can biohack so many aspects of life, but we can biohack our vision. I mean, that’s now turning into a thing. And just like any muscle in our body, if we stop using them, we lose voluntary control. People don’t realize with the visual system, it’s a very similar parallel. And what I think we’ve seen the most of from that is just interest from people all around the world wanting to fly in, do this intensive bootcamp with us, get pretty massive results depending on what the situation is for that person. But everything from straightening eye turns to improving lazy eyes, to eliminating motion sickness, to reading more efficiently and fluidly to eliminating misdiagnoses like ADD, ADHD, dyslexia. I mean there’s so many missed opportunities and misdiagnoses out there when it comes to vision. And so getting these leaders to really share their experience and challenge status quo of what everybody else has thought of before this reactive model, it’s been incredible. So our practice is growing. There’s a lot of energy with a specialty, and along with what I experienced at the MAHA ball, I mean we’re now seeing functional vision, having a seat at the medical table and one that is needing to be a firm seat because there’s some scary statistics of what we’re learning about in terms of chronic disease as it relates to vision and what’s actually preventable.
James Maskell:
Yeah. Well, that’s really, really interesting. Later in the week after I was with you, I went to speak at Healthy Tennessee and one of the things that I was talking about was sort of widening the Overton window of what’s possible in medicine. And I think that it’s funny that even a functional medicine doctor who is doing something that is not commonly understood to be done, so Christine has incredible outcomes with reversing cognitive decline and has built a real skill to execute on that. And most people don’t think that that’s possible. They don’t know that it’s possible. It is very new and it’s in the early stages of being seen. But then even she who’s in the 1% of 1% of understanding of that because she does it every day, was unaware that vision could be improved. And so it’s like we have a whole battle of opening and growing the Overton window so that people at least know what actually is possible, what are the realms of possibility. And I think the reason why part of the work of functional medicine has been to communicate the width of what’s possible that is not possible with conventional care.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Yeah, I mean as we age, cognitive decline happens, visual decline happens, but those aren’t normal, right? They’re common, but there’s a difference between common and normal. And if we are being proactive and doing the right work and avoiding the wrong things for us and for overall health, we can live a long healthy life. We can live long, we can die strong, and we can have vision and cognitive capacity be solid for a very long time as we have birthdays every year, yet people don’t even know that that is a thing.
James Maskell:
Well, one of the things I wanted to connect on was just something we were talking about there, which I thought most people would be excited about to learn, is you mentioned the connection between the brain and the vision. And I’d just love for the start at the youngest possible age because one of the things that you were chatting about, which I had no idea about, was just the connection between vision and a DD. And you mentioned the last time you were on the podcast how vision only comes in at a certain time, right? It’s like there’s a gap essentially where kids’ vision is starting to come together and that’s why screens can be so damaging early on. But we were sharing some of these stats about ADD, and I’d just love to jump into that. I know that whether you are listening to this as a practitioner or you’re listening to this as a parent, this might be valuable.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Yeah, I mean, just to give a little perspective, every functional visual skill our tracking, our focusing, our depth perception, no child is born with these skills, they come through our life experiences, they’re developed, so they’re either developed well or not as well as they need to be, and that’s when some intervention is needed. But today, kids are being exposed to screens and technology at earlier and earlier ages and often being asked to read earlier than ever before. And it’s allowing these visual, developmental delays and functional problems to manifest earlier than ever and more prevalently than ever. So when we think about ADD or ADHD, it’s not like there’s this blood test that you can take that says, oh yes, you have this to measure this biochemical imbalance. It’s a label slapped on behaviors and on symptoms just based off of observation symptomatology, things like that.
But I am a firm believer that ADHA, ADD, even dyslexia, they’re incomplete diagnoses unless hidden functional vision problems that cause the exact same symptoms are ruled out first. And there’s probably three populations that we see all day every day. One is the child who comes in or adult who thinks they have a D, D or H ADHD are told that they do. And in fact, their eyes aren’t working well together as a team. They’re not able to focus their eyes. I mean, our ability to focus our mind is deeply ingrained in our ability to focus our eyes. And so we identify the problems, we put ’em through the right treatment, there’s life altering improvement, and then all of a sudden attention is solid. So in that case, that was a misdiagnosis. There are some cases also where absolutely there is an innate ADD or ADHD diagnosis, but again, there’s so many options for treatment out there.
We don’t have to jump to medication right away. We can massively move the needle with lifestyle modifications, with nutrition, with outside the box treatments that need to be inside the box. And there’s certain scenarios where there’s a combination of a functional vision problem along with potentially some sort of biochemical imbalance, but when we know better, we can do better. And I’ve said that a few times because it’s estimated that over 80% of what’s learned in the classroom comes through the visual processing of information. And the data that is now outdated will say that sadly one in 10 kids has a vision problem significant enough to impact learning. I would say right now that’s probably four in 10, but we need to update that research. But that means there are millions of kids in the US that alone have treatable functional vision problems that are impacting their ability to focus and learn and read and just live a happy, healthy life.
And I bring up kids because kids can’t articulate the way that many adults can, the challenges they’re experiencing or why they would so much rather be read to rather than read on their own or why they’re squirming with desk work, but can completely sustain attention if it’s not a task that requires steady visual concentration. So the symptoms paint the picture and in pretty clear picture in terms of whether vision is interfering versus when it’s not. But these problems are everywhere and they’re hidden. Unless you know what to look for when you know what to look for, they’re right in front of your face.
James Maskell:
Yeah, so interesting. I can see that. I see the parallels here with someone takes functional medicine training, they start to see the body differently. They start to understand the complexity and the interdependencies, and then once they see it, you can’t unsee it. And then you see all diseases are new. You’ve hung out with a lot of functional medicine people, whether it be clinically at going to these kind of events or now in practice management support. Otherwise, what do you take away from the similarities and what you’ve learned from being in this world?
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Yeah, we’re all speaking the same language. It’s figure out the root cause, tackle that, and then the symptoms are at a minimum better and in many cases completely eliminated or drastically better. So you take somebody who’s struggling reading for instance, I mean very often it’s a problem with the inside muscles of the eyes responsible for clarity or the outside muscles of the eyes responsible for eye coordination or the synergy between these systems. And often the symptom could be far away is blurry, and then they go down this rabbit hole of myopia and nearsightedness and the symptom keeps being fed with stronger glasses or with more screen time. Yet the problem is completely ignored with focusing stamina, flexibility, eye coordination problems, whatever that may be. So you address the problem then the symptom is no longer the same option. And in a functional medicine space, I was pretty new to this space, probably about five really post-COVID.
And you realize that so many diagnoses and so many really terrible situations for people all really go back to giving their bodies the wrong instructions in terms of food or having the wrong lifestyle or being exposed to environmental toxins and having no idea. And so functional medicine is one of the best at recognizing tests, don’t guess, but when you test and you do the right test and you know what to look for, there becomes this wide open roadmap of what to do and with a proactive model compared to a reactive model, which is what functional medicine preaches, I mean it’s the limit in terms of how we can heal and cure so much unnecessary struggling that’s out there.
James Maskell:
Beautiful. I want to take a moment to just switch gears because I feel like if you’ve been following this moment movement for a while, and let’s say you are listening to this and you have a practice in some town around the country, chances are you getting outcomes that doctors down the road don’t get and yet it’s one thing to get those outcomes and then it’s another thing to actually build an organization that can actually one, meet the demand for that service in your area and second build up sustainably. And I think that where we’re seeing right now, and this is one of the things that I’ve been thinking about or writing about, I’ve started blogging on the TruNeura Substack and I wrote this blog called The Second Practitioner Problem, about how different practitioners have gone about trying to solve the fact that when you become such an expert, it’s hard to hire the second practitioner and them to do the same thing as you as well because you’re also a super subspecialist in functional medicine and autoimmune and lupus.
You know what I mean? It’s like there’s this level of specialty. And I guess I’d just love to get your thinking because since I’ve known you, you’ve built a very successful physical presence and then you’ve also thought carefully about how to get this to other people because not everyone’s Dave Asprey can come and hang out for a week. And so I’d just love for you to share some of your thinking process. You’ve got this transformative technique, you’re doing something that could be really amazing in for many people. How do you think about taking the knowledge that you’ve got and organizing it and packaging it in a way to meet demand and actually have an impact?
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Well, in speaking to that practitioner, you identify who is in their own town and kind of doing this unique special work that nobody knows about. You really have to figure out what sets you apart from everybody else and why your outcomes are so great and why your work is so great and how you help people in a unique way. For us with vision therapy, most people haven’t heard about vision therapy. And when you have heard about vision therapy, it’s not like physical therapy where if you have a sprained MCL and it’s a grade one sprain, you’re getting a dozen sessions and it’s grade two, you’re getting two dozen and depending on where you go, it’s kind of the same work everywhere. With vision therapy, there’s not consistency in what that looks like. And with so many specialties out there, there’s not consistency in what that looks like.
And so it can lead somebody to say, I did that work and it didn’t work. Well, it works. You just need to be in the right place in there for the right reasons. So we’ve really recognized that one of our strengths and our real niche is that our treatment is so holistic. We’re incorporating movement and balance and vestibular input and cognition into the vision work because vision doesn’t operate in isolation these other systems. But what that’s led us to recognize is what we do is very unique to us. So we identify our work as visual performance training, which is taking whatever the performance in life is and using the eyes to rewire the software of the brain to change how we’re using vision, but to optimize this eye-brain connection. And so to your point, we’re one practice or actually two practices. We’ve got two offices, but one area on the east coast in Maryland, there are so many people around the world who don’t have access to us or this type of care, don’t have the means to, don’t have the ability to travel or just don’t even have the knowledge.
So we’ve tried to come up with as many ways as possible to help people. So we’ve got the bootcamp, which is going to the gym and working with a trainer one-on-one with all the equipment and getting into great shape in the fastest way possible. We also have local patients who stretch that out. So it’s not this kind of intensive process, but then we’ve found ways to really get this work out to the masses. And we’ve got this online vision training program called Screen Fit, which really has been revolutionary in terms of reducing symptoms, promoting mindful habits, but teaching specific visual exercises that allow our eyes and brain to thrive in this digital world that we’re all in. And so screen fits kind of like a body weight program if we’re using the working out analogy compared to going to the gym. And so if you’re going to stay at home and do sit-ups, pushups and air squats and do the body weight work and you’re going to be motivated and be compliant, you can get into better shape.
Screen Fit Now offers this for literally anyone at any age. And although it would benefit everyone, not everyone necessarily needs it. We’ve had as young as five and as old as 89 go through it successfully. But it’s a do it yourself course with specific sequencing, specific learning, specific brain training to really target the systems needed to do what we’re doing right now, staring at a screen for extended periods of time. I mean, if you look at the stats right now in America, at least the average American spends seven hours and four minutes a day on a screen that’s average, and the average eight to 10-year-old spends six hours a day on a screen. I mean, that is absolutely nuts. And we don’t know what a lifetime of screen time really looks like. We know what it’s starting to look like and we’re starting to get the data and we’re starting to get the areas of development and life that are impacted.
But really to get ahead of this and to establish something that can help a lot of people in a way where as a practitioner early in my career, if I couldn’t help somebody a hundred percent, I didn’t want to work with them because I didn’t think it was ethical or right. And now I realize there’s so much unnecessary struggling out there. If I can help somebody, 20%, 50%, 70%, that’s still helping them and it’s better than nothing. And so the gold standard of what treatment needs to look like never changes, but we need to constantly revisit the gold standard of what’s possible and what we can offer because everyone listening to this has so much knowledge and so much untapped resources that they can use to help the world, and we got to get out of our own ways and expand our comfort zones to really get as much of our healing out there for others.
James Maskell:
Yeah, it’s really interesting. As I’ve been thinking about it more recently, I feel like if we look at the success of what things have been most successful, I guess financially in the early days of functional medicine, it’s always been take something out of the overall delivery of functional medicine is complex and time consuming, and therefore it doesn’t really scale well. And that’s why up until now, the most of the amazing work is happening one by one in clinics around the country, not really that big of a deal. And one practitioner really builds this skillset. They get good at it, they get to help a lot of people. This sort of network of that effect is really in one way unknown because it’s like the butterfly effect, but in some way has led to this crescendo that takes us back to where we started with this, which is that a lot of people now know that chronic disease is reversible.
They know that chronic disease is coming from toxins. They know that it’s coming from lifestyle and the environment. And so it’s led to this crescendo over time, and it’s been the people out there doing it one-on-one made the biggest impact. The things that have been most financially successful have been where you take one particular idea and sort of market it on mass. And if I think of things like mean, when I was a supplement rep 15 years ago, we had 120 SKUs and the number-one SKU was spore-based probiotic. And I remember the CEO saying, well, if we just had one, a company that just sold one thing, we’d probably grow a lot faster rather than having all 120 SKUs. And you can see that. You can see things like Biocidin with this one product. Now even you see with Function Health, Dr. Hyman takes one little piece of functional medicine, which is the interpretation of conventional lab review, package it up nicely and sell it nicely and it sells a lot, but it’s not functional medicine. It’s not really like there’s big segments of the functional medicine experience that are not being delivered in that there’s not the patient practitioner relationship, there’s no follow through, there’s no care. It’s really just the testing information. And so I think one is that’s obviously the way to think about it, take something that works and package it out. And we’ve seen books and podcasts and summits and supplements and all that do go in that direction. I guess the question that I have for you is how complex is eye health and does it lend itself well to the sort of simplification organization in this way? And what do you see with the outcomes with a dedicated screen fit user as opposed to someone who’s coming locally or someone who goes to the bootcamp?
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
Great question. So I mean, I think if you look at eye health and eye function a little bit differently, then those are different answers. Anything that’s good for brain health is good for eye health because eyes are extensions of our brain. They emerge in utero from the brain, and they’re the only part of your brain you can see with how things getting really messy. So from an eye health standpoint, I think that’s a lot easier to tackle. But from a brain function and a visual function standpoint, it’s a little different in that like you shared, there’s not standards of care out there. I mean, my profession with vision therapy and developmental optometry or optometry or behavioral optometry, depending on how you look at it, it’s been around for over a hundred years, yet we’ve been stuck in our own way because of a lot of the politics in eye care and intervening when there’s disease versus avoiding or treating the disease in a more functional medicine approach.
But just working out and achieving health and finding wellness. If you do the work and you do the right work, you get there. So I always talk about the people that say, let’s say eye exercises don’t work. Those are the same people saying that normal exercise doesn’t work, exercise works. You got to do the right work and you got to do it. So same is true with eye exercises. I mean, the people who are all over the internet talking about palming and sunning and you do those two things, you’ll never need glasses and you’ll be able to have HD eyesight for the rest of your life. It’d be awesome if it was that easy. It’s not that easy. But I think the benefit of something like screen Fit is it was intended to really hold the user’s hand along the journey so that it’s not overwhelming so that it’s only one new lesson every day so that it’s limited in the 10 to 15 minutes as you’re doing it.
And also so that it’s not addressing screen challenges by incorporating more screen time. That’s one of the big things where it’s an app and yet it’s a video describing what to do. And then the goal is put your phone down, put the tablet down, and actually do the exercise and you don’t need any equipment for it. And I think for people, I mean, we’ve had a hundred percent of people who’ve gone through it have seen a reduction in symptoms, which is crazy to think about, but I would say absolutely not as many people as I would have finished the program and then repeated the program. And so often our chief complaint gets better, we see some progress, and then we just lose motivation. And that’s true for so many people listening for their patients and even maybe for themselves. So I think having that carrot to dangle in front of somebody to allow them to identify the wins, achieve the wins, then celebrate the wins and allow ’em to keep coming, that’s a challenge.
And that’s hard for many different areas of medicine. But I think with screen fit, what’s pretty neat is there’s benchmarks you can notice and small percentage changes over time lead to massive cumulative shifts in terms of eye strain, headaches, fatigue, productivity, even disrupted sleep. And so I think what’s really neat about this is it’s got lifetime access. Everyone in the family can do it by signing up just one person. But I’m really starting to talk about tying certain exercises to habits and to activities of daily living. And I was on a podcast yesterday where this same conversation was being discussed of like, all right, well, how do you get people to do the stuff that they need to do? And I think if you tie it to habits, something we do all day, if you’re regular, you go to the bathroom every day. So we came up with pooping pushups, we talked about near far focus being eye pushups. If you’re doing those every time you poop, that’s something you can tie it to every day and get it done.
James Maskell:
Well, that’s a better thing than what we’re doing right now. I heard a joke yesterday that was, if you don’t use your phone when you’re having a poop, then you’re basically meditating.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
And you’re using your phone while you’re having a poop, and that’s only making your visual system worse. So you see the people driving with their phones in their face, walking down the halls with their phones in their face. We’re not meant to have these little computers blasting our eyes and our brains all day long, especially when we’re going number two.
James Maskell:
Yeah, I really appreciate that. Well, we’ve got a special discount for our community. If you use code EVOMED on ScreenFit, we’ll have the details on the site so you can have $200 off for people who want to try it, if you want to recommend it to some patients. If you have patients from young kids with ADD all the way through up to cognitive decline, getting the eyesight is going to make a big impact. And I think it’s an easy way that people can start to take action with something that they can see progress on, and then that can be part of the momentum to bring them back from chronic illness. Look, I want to just share my appreciation for you doing obviously the work to be able to help people, but then really thinking through and taking the time to work out how to do it, like having two locations, having a team that execute the details, thinking about ways to get it out to more people, creating access for people around the world who can’t come to Maryland. It takes a lot of thoughtful decision making over time and dedication to the craft. So thank you for all of that. And yeah, great to hopefully see the continued growth and progress as we move forward. And I’m really excited for our collective future.
Dr. Bryce Appelbaum:
So appreciate the love, appreciate the support, and we all have our strengths and we got to be able to recognize what those are, but then support our practices, support our families, support our patients in areas that maybe others can help support more than we can. So I’m blessed to have an amazing team and a lot of momentum from just trailblazers in the space like you who are helping get this information out there and helping people recognize what’s possible and how to get it out of their own way. So just so grateful for you, what you’re doing, what you have been doing for the last 15 years, and for the friendship. I mean, you are a special, special person James, so appreciate how many people you’re helping and supporting and changing the lives of.
James Maskell:
Thank you, mate. Well, appreciate it. This has been the Evolution of Medicine podcast. This is the evolution of eye health. This is the evolution of vision care, and really grateful to have featured this now. Yeah, we’ll be back soon with more great stuff. Thanks so much Dr. Bryce Appelbaum for tuning in. If you have questions or if you want to know more, go into the show notes. We’ll have the details there on the ScreenFit program. And thanks so much for tuning in, and we’ll see you next time.
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