The Bioage Reversal Breakthrough

What if the best way to live a long life isn’t a longevity hack – but preventing chronic illness in the first place?

In this live episode from the Institute for Functional Medicine Annual Conference, James Maskell sits down with Dr. Kara Fitzgerald, a naturopathic physician and longtime functional medicine researcher, to talk about her groundbreaking work on reversing biological age.

Dr. Fitzgerald shares the story behind her 2018 clinical study, which found that a diet and lifestyle intervention reversed biological age by over three years – a result that stunned the field, since even epigenetic clock pioneer Steve Horvath didn’t believe bioage reversal was possible in humans. She explains how follow-up research traced most of that effect to polyphenol-dense “methylation adaptogens,” and why she’s now pursuing an NIH grant to understand whether polyphenols can move the needle on both exposomic aging (environmentally driven) and deeper, programmed aging (the kind tied to Yamanaka factor biology).

The conversation also covers the longevity summit she hosted last year to unite the functional and longevity medicine communities, her advice for practitioners building a career in this space – community, clarity of purpose, and in-person connection – and her take on where direct-to-consumer lab testing and wearables fit into the future of patient care.

Whether you’re a clinician, researcher, or simply curious about the science of aging, this episode offers a grounded look at what it actually takes to move the needle on healthspan and lifespan.

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About the Guest:
Dr. Kara Fitzgerald is actively engaged in clinical research on epigenetics and longevity using a diet and lifestyle intervention developed in her research and practice. She has published two clinical studies on the potential bioage-reversing effects of an 8-week DNA methylation-supportive diet and lifestyle in middle-aged men and women in the journal Aging.

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About the Host:

James Maskell is a healthcare entrepreneur and founder of The Evolution of Medicine. For over 20 years, he has worked to scale functional medicine through community-driven models, group visits, and practitioner infrastructure. His work focuses on moving medicine upstream – toward prevention, lifestyle intervention, and systems-based care.

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The big question for me that was very exciting was, can a diet and lifestyle intervention change gene expression, change epigenetics? We didn’t think biological age could be reversed. Steve Horvath did not think biological age could be reversed or slowed in humans. We saw that the diet and lifestyle intervention slowed bio age or reversed it by over three years in the study group as compared to the control.

Wow. We went on to publish it. I went on to write a book about it. We’ve continued to publish. We are drilling down into what elements of the dietary pattern did the heavy lift. Yeah. And now we’re working on an NIH grant to kinda study why those elements did, uh, what they did, and just to kind of explore.

The elements is, I know you’re gonna ask me this, is the polyphenols, but I think polyphenols are infinitely more powerful than we’ve really respected to date. Hello, and welcome back to the Evolution of Medicine podcast. We are live at IFMAIC, and we are talking to the speakers, the leaders, the innovators, and we’ve got some incredible interviews that we’ve recorded and coming up.

Um, but today we are talking with Dr. Kara Fitzgerald, who I have known for more than a decade. I’ve seen you lead so much in this industry, and I, you know, heard you speak a little bit earlier today. So welcome. Thank you. I can’t believe we haven’t done this up until now. We should’ve done this a long time ago.

No, we did. We did it a long time- Yeah. We did do it a long time ago. I think, yeah. We need to- Like maybe your first one … it’s been time to come back and do it. Well, look, um, l- I’m just starting with, for those who, who don’t know your work, tell us a little bit about your journey to be here and give the talk that you gave and, and sort of your, your journey.

Right. So I’m a naturopathic physician by training, and after I finished… Actually, while I was in school, I heard Dr. Jeff Bland, the father of functional medicine, speak and was deeply inspired. He was lecturing on hops, um uh, uh, mechanism and its relation to estrogen and all of that was super exciting for me.

And I immediately knew that nutritional biochemistry at– through the functional lens was kind of something that lit me up. And so after school, rather than going into clinical training, I did a small part-time clinical training, but I was in a laboratory under the direction of a nutritional biochemist, Dr.

Richard Lord, who’s kind of highly regarded in this field, but he’s retired at this point, and just steeped in nutritional biochemistry and laboratory science, and that has carried me through my career. So that did a few things. One thing was it directed my training towards, um, teaching other professionals, and so I’ve done that.

I, I immediately leaped into being faculty at IFM after I finished my, my training, um, and published a book, Case Studies in Integrative and Functional Medicine, and I was– I contributed to the functional medicine textbook and the laboratory, uh, textbook for Integrative and Functional Medicine. So just a very dense kind of, um, kind of academic, if you will, focus.

Um, and I also had a clinical practice, um But doing that laboratory background kind of positioned me to move into clinical research. And the big question for me that was very exciting was, can a diet and lifestyle intervention change gene expression, change epigenetics? Yeah. Um, when we started that study back, that clinical study back in 2018, biological age, which we talk about all the time now, hadn’t, uh, there had been no publications that biological age could be reversed in humans.

So in 2018, which is like, you know, yesterday practically- Yeah … we didn’t think biological age could be reversed. In fact, Steve Horvath, the father of, you know, developing the epigenetic bio age clocks, did not think biological age could be reversed or slowed in humans. I mean, he’s on record saying that many times.

So we were going– We, our interest was more broadly looking at epigenetic expression using a diet and lifestyle pattern. We were planning on looking at bio age, but I wasn’t anticipating we would see any movement. So it was a big deal, kind of a career-changing moment when we were crunching our data and we saw that the diet and lifestyle intervention, um, slowed bio age or reversed it by over three years in the study group as compared to the control.

Incredible. I know. It was really wild. Yeah. And, um, we went on to publish it. I went on to write a book about it. We’ve continued to publish. Um, we’re drilling down into what elements of the dietary pattern did the heavy lift, and we published that last year, and I can talk to you about it. Yeah. And now we’re working on an NIH grant to kinda study why those elements, um, did, uh, what they did and, um, just to kind of explore.

So the, the elements is, I know you’re gonna ask me this, is the polyphenols, and I wanna stop and let you ask some questions. But, um- I think polyphenols are infinitely more powerful than we’ve really respected to date, and I just hope to begin to tease out some of that science. So if we get our NIH grant, you know, stay tuned.

Yeah, what’d you learn? ‘Cause obviously with a lot of these interventions, right, it’s a multimodal thing. So you know that it works but you don’t know why exactly it works. That’s right. That’s right. And so what? What have you found as you sort of teased it out? We found, so we found that, ’cause we took a lot of data, so we were tracking our participants very carefully, and we’ve got really detailed food, uh, frequency questionnaires.

And we were able to, from that and from the epigenetic patterns, discern that those interventions, which we called back then methylation adaptogens, they’re the most polyphenol dense interventions. It was that collection of interventions that did the heavy lift on biological age in our participants. Wow.

Yeah. So is there more? Is there, where would you go next? So pol- so there’s a few questions to answer here. One is, could we do a polyphenol intervention as a standalone- Yeah … and expect to see that? If we did the diet and lifestyle pattern and layered the polyphenol intervention on top of that, would we see more?

What’s the dosing of the polyphenol intervention that would be optimal? Um, and how is it moving the epigenome? So there’s two ways that I think about, um, epigenetics as it relates to longevity. There’s, there’s the aging phenomena that’s by environmentally influenced, like exposomic aging. Yeah. Like the assault, the wear and tear of toxin exposures, poor diet, stress, et cetera, et cetera.

Exposomic aging. But more de- deeper, deeper than that is probably what- what’s been referred to as, as pseudo program, program, pseudo programmatic aging. Mm. Or you could just call it programmed aging. Like it’s where the Yamanaka factors work. So you know Yamanaka factors. You expose it to a somatic cell, th- these, these four transcription factors, and you can reverse, you can take that somatic cell and reverse it to a pluripotent stem cell.

Okay. So you bring it back in time to ground zero using these four transcription factors. I think that that phenomena is touching on programmed aging, aging that’s baked into all of us regardless of how impeccable we live. Yeah. Like menopause is baked into every woman, you know? Yeah. Um, you know- you know, menarche, et cetera.

Like these developmental milestones that we’re all gonna hit regardless of how well or perfect we live. Yeah. I th- the aging phenomena is also baked in. Um, and so my question is, and we can, and we can test. I think we’re starting to be able to have the tools to test. So we can test aging as, as a, the assault of life, the exposomic aging.

And then my second question is, can these polyphenol interventions influence a deeper level, this programmed aging? So that’s, that’s like my- Excellent. Okay Yeah And that would be the NIH grant? Yeah. Yeah. That would be a piece of it. So I really hope we get it, we get it covered. I hope so too. Uh, on that journey, just ’cause I think, you know, that I think it gave s- I think it gave our field, um, you know, your research gave the field so much confidence because it was like, “See?

I told you. I knew that-” I know … “this was happening.” It’s, it’s, it’s so exciting to have been able to contri- contribute that because indeed- Yeah … we’ve been talking forever that our interventions influence gene expression. Yeah. You know? I mean, way back- Yeah … I remember Mark Hyman talking about it, but we didn’t have any data.

Yeah. So thank God we were given a grant and we were able to test it and to see, yeah, okay, they do. One of the cool things that you did last year that I wrote to you about, ’cause I, I recognized that I thought it was really cool, was the sort of the, the event that you did on the sort of connection between longevity medicine and functional medicine.

Yeah. And obviously, you know, there’s a sort of an economic incentive for everyone to come up with their own name for their thing, because they can have their own conference and have their own thing. But ultimately, like one of my dreams and efforts with the functional forum or otherwise was to really create unity about salutogenesis, like how does it happen?

And one of the reasons I like that is because what I recognize is, you know, having been in this field a long time, I see what I would call a lot of like, I don’t know if this is derogatory, but a sort of a Johnny Come Lately longevity doctor. Yes. Right? Yes. Who hasn’t done the training in functional medicine.

Right. Yeah, for sure. And they’ve got a lot, they’ve got a toolkit. Sure, yeah. But they don’t have the context for how to use this toolkit or what’s happening. And I, one of the reasons I like that is because I knew that someone should do what you did to say, “Hey, look, the best way to live for a long time is not to get a chronic illness.

How do you know whether you’re gonna get a chronic illness? Well, it turns out you can measure the journey from health to death.” Yeah. And we have the tools, and there’s already a- Yes … a sort of a group of people that have been pioneering this. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So come and check it out. Yes. I don’t know, like, what it looked like on the inside, ’cause I just saw it from the outside.

But y- I know from doing summits and stuff, you get a lot of feedback, and you get that. Did it, did it do what you’d hoped that it would do? It did. So I just wanna take a minute to talk about the incredible mission partners that we have here at the Evolution of Medicine that have made this possible. So first and foremost, I wanna thank- Fullscript and Fullscript Journey.So Fullscript’s been an amazing partner for 10 years. We only pick partners that can help us achieve our vision and help you achieve your practice vision.

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It kicked ass, quite frankly Yeah I mean, it just, it was so exciting, and we had great, um, speakers, great interviews. Everything was in alignment. So the other thing with summits or masterclasses, they can be… the c- the topics can be super disparate. Yeah Like, and really not have anything to do with the central theme.

Our motivation was Motivating functional providers, like just giving a serious confidence boost to their, to their training structure. To your point, um, we have these tools already, and elevate the, elevating them, making, just really providing people with like a mirror of, like you already know how to do this if you’re a well-trained functional medicine provider, even if you’re new transitioning in.

And then layering on top of that some of the next generation stuff coming down the pike to make clinicians aware of, to think about adopting or stay tuned of. Yeah. And so we had the, every presenter, and even our partner, the sponsored partners, uh, they were invited so that everything brick by brick built on itself.

We had awesome scientists, and then, you know, we had Mark Hyman participated, Jeff Bland was there, uh, a handful of times, Lori Hoffman. Like, you know, just kinda luminaries in our space, Halan Messier. Um, and it, they were good conversations. All, each conversation was edited down to 30 minutes, so the key points were, you know, were, were featured.

And we had 110 countries. We had, like 4,000 people rotate through live. We invited– One of the cool things we did was invite the speakers on the prerecorded conversations to come back and participate in the chat, and a lot of them did that. That’s cool. So you could just be right in there dialoguing with this individual you’re hearing speak.

Yeah, and so there was a juicy community element, which I know that you’re really, really big on, and is important for me- Yeah … like keeping us together. So yeah, it was a huge success, and we’re gonna do it again this year in September. Amazing. Yeah. Tell me a little bit about what you spoke about here and, um, you know, what your, your sort of topic i- was and why that’s, why that came up and, and how you got here.

Well, you know, I submitted to talk about like longevity through mitochondrial lens. That’s what I was gonna get into some really crazy science around that, which is super interesting to me. Um, but Robert Luby, the, the, I don’t know, he was the director of medical education, I’m not sure what his hat is at the moment.

But anyway, he’s like, “Look, Kara, we want you to come and talk about like being an old G, an original gangster- Yeah … in functional medicine.” They wanted, he wanted me to talk about like my career trajectory and how I manifested, um, you know, a successful- You’re friends with Halle Berry. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

That’s what I’ve heard he wants to know. Right. Right. Yeah. That’s right. That’s so funny. Yeah. Right. Right. How I met Halle Berry. Um, so I just, I talked about, you know, how I ended up in naturopathic school, but then, you know, ultimately seeing Jeff, jumping into laboratory science and, um, functional medicine and becoming faculty, like that, my, that whole journey, and now today, you know, having a clinical practice, doing…

I still do, I have a podcast as you know, a webinar. We did the master class. So I still offer a lot of- Um, platform stuff for professionals in functional medicine, and then, you know, my research. Research, platform training for professionals, and clinic, those three things. That’s basically what I talked about.

And just- Yeah … and I wanted to motivate people. Christine was there, as you know. Yeah. Christine Burke, amazing. Our stories are so different, but functional medicine is a big tent. Yeah. And we all fit under it, and I said, you know, “If you read Christine’s mission statement or the mission statement of her practice, I guarantee that it overlaps with mine.”

I mean, there’s, there is much that all of us can do, you know, if we really manifest our vision and our passion, and there’s a lot of room for us to do that in a really creative way. Like, not everybody- Yeah … has to walk in Christine’s shoes, as incredible as they are, or, nor mine. I mean- Yeah … so anyway, you know, we’re a big tent.

But there’s a lot of opportunity- A lot of opportunity … once you, like, I mean, you by, by, um- What would you say? By, by putting yourself, wearing a functional medicine hat, right, as opposed to the naturopathic hat as your primary hat- Yeah … opened up a lot of opportunities for you. Doing the clinical research opens up these other opportunities, and now you start to see that, you know, there are so m- because this is becoming en vogue now.

Right. Right? It- there’s so many- Right, right … opportunities for people to, um, be relevant in so many different ways. Yes. But you had to have, like, done the hard yards early on to- Yes … get those opportunities because, uh, ultimately, you know, when, when something expands exponentially, which I think we’re in the middle of right now, right?

Solutogenesis is, is blowing up. Yes. What would be your recommendation to practitioners who are at the beginning of their journey? What kind of advice did you give to them about, you know, what’s most important to focus on, um- Yes … you know, for a, for a rewarding career? Well, you know, Christine and I both talked about kind of coming from a bootstrap model.

You know, we both had to do a lot of building because it was before the tipping point. Yeah. It was when we were still relatively isolated, when we were, you know, assaulted by the greater medical community as being quacks, you know? Yeah. And it was– I anticipated my career being in that environment, sort of just working away in relative obscurity, but I was completely committed and, and, and impassioned by what I was doing, so it was okay.

It was a fate I had no problem accepting. But to your point, I mean, we’re at this tipping point. It’s being accepted. Functional medicine is expanding. I, as I shared in my talk today, you know, I live in, in Baja California Sur, in a small, small city, and there’s at least two, probably more, functional medicine providers in my little podunk town.

Um, there’s even somebody offering some form of epigenetic testing. But so we’re out there, and I think today pr- practitioners have a greater opportunity, you know, than we did. They don’t necessarily have to stick their necks out in an epic- um, entrepreneurial journey- Yeah … in the way that we did. Um, they can join a practice.

There’s all sorts of permutations a- around how they can manifest this medicine. I think it’s important for providers to do a couple of things, and you know, you were huge in this. Get into a community. You know, you, you need to have some sort of regular contact with your peers. We have rounds twice a week, and I know Christine is doing rounds twice a week.

She did functional forum. We had a journal club- Mm … um, you know, with a lot of the now IFM faculty before we were faculty. David Haase and Tom Saul and Helen Messier, you know, um, uh, uh, Patrick Hanaway, you know, kind of before we, we ended up, uh, being on faculty early in our careers. And this was the community where we talked through the emerging science.

Yeah. We talked through clinical cases. That community element is hugely important. Um, and taking some time to vision out how you wanna manifest this medicine, you know, and writing it down. Like, putting some intention around what you’re passionate about. Yeah. These tools will help you bring it alive. And then obviously being here at this conference live, in real life, to connect- Yeah, yeah

with other humans I think is, is really essential. Yeah, so much happens outside of the, the content, right? There’s, uh- Yes … dinners and other things. Yes. I think I remember being at a dinner with you, um- Sure … maybe like 12 years ago. That is funny. And that was, uh, you know, like, the, it was the first time that I was hanging out with people like David Hasie and other people.

Yeah. And I was like- Yeah … “Oh, this is a cool gang to be part of.” Yeah. Like, I think I was gonna be- It’s funny … be part of that. But it’s so much of that, you know, the gelling happens when you’re actually here in person. And- Yes … yeah, I think the confidence that comes from other practitioners saying, “Yeah, I did this, I did this, and this is how it worked.”

Because- Mm-hmm … you know, ultimately, unless you’re a naturopathic doctor, if you’re a conventional doctor and you’re- You’re transitioning … coming into this space- Yeah … you know, if you go back to your, you know, specialty conference first, and you tell people that you’re sniffing around this, you might get laughed out of the room.

I know. Right? Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, so you need that sort of, the confidence to come back- Yes … and the, uh, those sort of areas. Well, um, you know, how do you, how do you see the balance of, uh, the, the, the work that you’re involved with? You have the, you see patients, do the podcast, do the webinars. You have this sort of following in the provider space.

Obviously you’re doing this research, could get the NH grant. You write books, whatever. Hopefully, yeah. What do you think is- Yeah … the, the balance moving forward for you? Well, um, ideally I will be able… Well, I’ll continue with a small clinical practice because that kind of informs everything that I do, being in contact with patients, treating patients.

Um, I’ll continue with the podcast, webinars. But I do, I want to, I really wanna put quest- put my energy towards doing this research. Mm. You know, I’m, I’m jazzed up about it. I think there’s some important next generation information we can glean from it. I think, honestly, we’re just beginning to tap the power of polyphenols or the, what we call the postbiotic, you know, polyphenolic-derived compounds like urolithin A.

I mean, powerful, powerful, powerful players, you know, in multifactorial and physiology. And I think, you know, we, we need the right dose, we need the right duration. Um, and we can, you know, I think we can really make some pretty profound changes with them. It’s interesting. I, I’d love to get your hope as to like, as a clinician here, what do you hope happens?

Because on one hand, it’s like, well, if the, if the supplement does it all, then you’ve probably got a blockbuster thing on your hand. Yeah. Whereas if the medicine, if it’s the multimodal approach that it’s just one part of, then it validates- That’s funny … the salutogenic- Oh, that’s funny … thesis. And I, I could imagine that- Both would probably be cool, but, but, you know, you care about the medicine.

Do you care about the, the piece, are you interested in, and what y- what you’d hope would happen? I do not think you can supplement away a lousy lifestyle. Yeah. Like, I just think there’s no way. You know, as, as, as, as potent and drug-like a, a exquisite- exquisitely de- designed polyphenol cocktail is, you can’t supplement away a poor lifestyle.

Um, so I don’t s- I don’t ever s- that’s a, it really interesting question, James. It’s funny, it seems like it would be an obvious one that I’ve thought of, but I hadn’t. Um, I- Well, ’cause I know you care about the medicine- Yeah, of course … and you care about the research too. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Is that right? Yeah.

I think, I mean, I mean, I think that w- so my question is, we c- we know that we can inhibit the development of chronic disease or slow down that journey. We know we can improve health span. And so my question is, are some of these interventions that we’re using routinely, can we actually extend lifespan? So not just inhibit disease, but perhaps actually push lifespan itself forward.

And so I’m, I’m really enamored of dancing in that space with natural interventions. I mean, they’re looking at it with drug interventions, you know, like Yamanaka factors are in phase one trials right now. You know, people are looking at rapamycin and other drugs to find that glo- blockbuster anti-aging drug.

But I suspect that we already have some of that information in what we’re doing. But again, it won’t replace all of this foundational functional, you know, in living a quality life. Yeah. It would be adjunct to it. Awesome. Yeah. Well, one of the things that’s, that’s happening, you know, recently, and it’s funny you said how it seems just a few days away that we were in 2018, but you can see the, the world is changing rapidly.

Super change. Right? And- Yeah … you know, there’s been tools out there now that, you know, for, for very f- a little amount of money, people can kind of get into understanding themselves functionally, right? Yes. Yes, yes. To whatever degree. You know, I was wondering, you know, when you… And, and new ways are emerging now to f- to bring patients in and give them an understanding of what’s going on as a pathway into your practice or anyone’s practice here.

What are some of the key factors that you wanna understand for your new patients that you’ve seen that would, um, uh, inspire them to go further into the journey and want to, want to go on a, a, a pathway with you? Hmm. I mean, I, I have to be honest, like some of the new suites of lab tests being offered that are, you know, panels that we can get at Quest, you know?

Yeah. But they’re offering it direct to consumers. I mean, I think those are pretty cool. Um- And I think that can provide great information to the patient, especially when it’s interpreted through the lens of a provider who’s well-trained. I know that a lot of these are going direct to consumer, and I have so many patients who’ve done direct-to-consumer labs, and then they just come to me ’cause they’re not sure what to do with them.

Yeah. Or they upload them to ChatGPT and maybe sometimes to benefit, but also sometimes to some really, really- Go sideways … inaccurate. Yes. Yeah. Yes, yes. Go to the hospital now. Yeah. You know, it’s like some crazy stuff. Um, but I think those two– I think laboratory t- um, can be really motivating to patient, to patients.

I think if patients are willing to adopt the changes that we see based on the lab data, if they’re willing to do some of the dietary pattern changes that we want, I mean, sky’s the limit. You know, those I– again, as far as actually Regaining or optimizing health, whatever their goals might be. But probably those two tools, I think.

Cool. Yeah. Well, it’s exciting moment for practitioners to be able to, uh, use some of the… I mean, it- it’s become clear that people want their data. Yes. Right? And people want it. Yes. So if you can put it as the top of the funnel for your practice, which it kind of is right now- Yes, yes, yes … then I think it’s, it’s, uh, it’s a good set for the future, and we’re- Yeah

super excited that that’s happening. And marrying it to wearables- Yeah … so, you know, it’s, it’s pretty cool. I have, I’m, I’ve gotten back into competitive cycling. I was a cyclist when I was in school, but my bike has at least five batteries. Like, it- it’s, it’s a wearable. Yeah, yeah. It’s a wearable. It’s got so many, it has so many metrics, so I have a lot of, a lot of data.

It’s really cool. And so to have that, and to have the system and the tools to be able to marry it to lab data and clinical data, I mean, we’re not there yet, but we’re heading in that direction. Amazing. Well, cool. Well, thank you so much for being part of the Evolution of Medicine podcast. We’ll have all the details about the summit coming up in September so that you can join and be part of it.

And, um, yeah, keep on the amazing work for leading the field. Thanks so much for all of your work teaching, um, educating, inspiring others to go on this journey, and it’s been amazing to watch you do your thing. Aw, thanks, James. Yes. Likewise. Yeah. Likewise. Well, this has been the Evolution of Medicine podcast.

I’m your host, James Maskell. Uh, we are here at IFM AIC. You’ve been here with Dr. Kara Fitzgerald. Thanks so much for tuning in, and we’ll see you next week. So we are here asking practitioners about their practitioner journeys, and the reason why is because Journeys is a new product from Fullscript.

Journeys allows you to set up your own lab offerings as the top of the funnel. Give the patients what they want. They wanna know about themselves, and it’s the easiest way to bring them into your practice. We have all types of practices from across the country that are building their own unique lab panels for their own unique practices, selling them to their community, and acting as a great funnel into their practice.

This is a massive innovation. I think this will accelerate the evolution of medicine. You can go to goevomed.com/journeys to find out more. Set up your own journeys in half an hour, and transform the health of your community. Go get ’em. So that was the podcast. What an epic session. Thank you so much for tuning in to the Evolution of Medicine podcast.

We will be back again next week, and thanks so much for tuning in, and we’ll see you next time.

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