What if one of the most powerful healing tools isn’t a supplement or medication – but a simple movement practice rooted in breath, awareness, and human connection?

In this live Evolution of Medicine Podcast episode from the Institute for Functional Medicine Annual Conference, James Maskell speaks with Dr. Carol Penn about the role of Qigong in functional medicine and why it may be one of the most important foundational practices for modern health.

Drawing on her background as a professional dancer, osteopathic physician, and educator, Dr. Penn explains how movement can transform physical, emotional, and psychological well-being. She shares how her experiences working with people with disabilities first revealed the healing potential of creativity and embodied movement.

The conversation explores how Qigong maps onto the Functional Medicine Matrix, supporting structural integrity, nervous system regulation, breath function, and overall systems health.

James and Dr. Penn also discuss the growing crisis of social disconnection and why group movement practices may help rebuild community, improve resilience, and support both mental and physical health.

Additional topics include dementia prevention, healthy aging, intergenerational healing programs, osteopathic medicine, and the future of community-based wellness initiatives.

The episode closes with a vision for bringing Qigong and movement-based healing into parks, healthcare systems, medical education, and everyday life as a practical tool for restoring both individual and collective health.

About the Guest:
Dr. Carol Penn is an osteopathic physician, educator, former professional dancer, and choreographer with more than two decades of experience in movement-based arts and healing.

Before entering medicine, Dr. Penn spent 22 years as a professional dancer and worked extensively with individuals with disabilities, where she witnessed the transformative impact of movement, creativity, and self-expression on physical and emotional well-being.

Today, she integrates osteopathic principles, functional medicine concepts, and Qigong into her teaching, research, and clinical work. Dr. Penn serves on the faculty of the Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine, where she teaches courses in integrative medicine and Qigong-informed osteopathic practice.

Her work focuses on the relationship between movement, structure, breath, nervous system function, community connection, and whole-person health.

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James Maskell is a healthcare entrepreneur and founder of The Evolution of Medicine. For over 20 years, he has worked to scale functional medicine through community-driven models, group visits, and practitioner infrastructure. His work focuses on moving medicine upstream – toward prevention, lifestyle intervention, and systems-based care.

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We’re living in an age of great disconnection. So just the very premise of Qigong is that as you heal yourself, you heal those around you. So it has a reciprocal nature built into its foundation. And as you’re building and becoming aware of your own energetic imprint, and you’re kind of tapping into what I see as the interconnected web of humanity, these are the fundamental foundational thoughts of Qigong.

And creating that awareness internally, I believe, is a step forward for humanity, a step forward for repair for both the people and the planet. We have to know it inside before we can really understand it outside. Hello, and welcome back to the Evolution of Medicine podcast. We are shooting live at the Institute for Functional Medicine’s Annual International Conference.

We are here in San Diego, and we’re speaking to speakers, leaders, innovators who are taking functional medicine to places that it hasn’t been, and integrating functional medicine with all kinds of other things. And you’re gonna hear about today something that is close to my heart. We’re gonna be talking about functional medicine integration with Qigong.

We’re gonna be talking about taking functional medicine to new and interesting places. So welcome, Dr. Carol Penn. Thank you. Excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me. No problem. Tell me a little bit about your journey to be here, to be speaking, and, um, how, how this all happened. Well, my journey to be here and how I got interested in functional medicine…

For 22 years, I was a professional dancer and choreographer, and I worked with people with disabilities. Particularly started out working with the blind and visually impaired, um, through my work with Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, which is where I was training and working- Wow … as a professional dancer.

And I saw the miracle, I saw the transformation happen, where people who were considered medically fragile and people who were considered outside of the experience of the arts community Had this transformation, this ability to, to change, to heal through movement, through the arts. So bringing those creative elements in, and then bringing that journey where they were self-expressing.

So for example, I would tell someone, “I want you to drop to all fours.” Well, if you’ve never seen that, you might think as a sighted person, “I’m gonna get down on my hands and knees,” right? Yeah. Drop to all fours, quadruped. But a lot of times I would have people who had never seen that. They would just put four fingers down.

Mm. So I started, “Whoa, that’s not what I meant,” but wouldn’t that be interesting in the choreo- that moment. Mm. That gesture. And I started to seeing these transformative ways and these ideas and this new perspective. And for the person that was generating it, this kind of excitement about, “Oh, look what I just did.

Someone took my idea and they liked my idea.” And then they started feeling better about themselves and getting more and more creative. And from that moment on, I didn’t know it was called functional medicine. Bringing these, or lifestyle medicine or any of these things. But I knew there was a transformative moments and strings of transmo- transformative moments that happens through the arts, happens through creativity, happens through movement Through movement, yeah.

It’s amazing. So what’s the, what’s the title of your talk here? What are you gonna be talking about, and how did that come together? All right, so I am going to be talking about Qigong as systems medicine- Amazing … mapping it to the seven nodes of functional medicine. Amazing. Now, I’m really excited for that, that topic for a couple reasons.

There’s a couple threads I wanna pull on. One is there was a podcast, actually, that my friend Andrea Nakayama did for years, which was m- um, mapping things onto the matrix, and it was a really cool podcast. I ac- I did one once on loneliness, um, and, and, um, social isolation. But I’m int- I, I always love those podcasts because I think it gives people a much richer understanding of the nodes, um, of the matrix.

But also, you know, my business partner, Gabe Hoffman, who I started The Evolution of Medicine with, you know, in his, uh, latter years, he got really into Qigong, and we, he was… He had a, a guy who taught him, was in Santa Fe. We all went down there. Um, I did a long weekend there. And, you know, p- in the, in the days before his death or the months before his death, we talked a lot about the role of, that Qigong could have in sort of founda- you know, building this foundational layer that was necessary for, you know, healing.

And even now more recently, like my wife is sort of like, “Hey, we should really build a daily Qigong practice in our, in our garden as 45-year-olds.” So, um, yeah, I’d love to just, um, get a little flavor of, of why you think or how it maps onto the matrix and why you think this is crucial for our society to adopt.

Well, w- we’re living in an age of great disconnection. So just the very premise of Qigong is that as you heal yourself, you heal those around you. So it has a reciprocal nature built into its foundation. And as you’re building and becoming aware of your own energetic imprint and how that connects, and you’re kind of tapping into what I see as the interconnected web of humanity, these are the fundamental foundational thoughts- Wow

of Qigong as a- Yeah … practice. And so in creating that awareness- Internally, I believe is a step forward for humanity, a step forward for repair for both the people and the planet. We have to know it inside before we can really understand it outside. And I think this is a moment in our time in history where this is a, becomes a vital practice.

Vitally necessary to either help us evolve or going the other way- Yeah … devolving. I love everything you said there. I feel that when I see a picture of groups of people doing qi gong, you know, I realize there’s some sort of birthright that I’m not having access to, and that, like, our whole culture is missing out on the movement in groups.

Um, it’s, it’s profound to see. It’s almost like a remembering that- Yeah … like, this should be something that could happen. I’m extremely interested in what it’s gonna take to re-weave the social fabric, and so I would love to get your take on that because it sounds like you feel like this is the 101 for people to- I do

get into. I do. I, I think it’s absolutely, uh, foundational to human exist- So for example, I’m an osteopath. Okay. So I believe in the reciprocity between form and function. Yeah. And, you know, so we, we recommend our treatments and, you know, supplements and this and this, but if the container is not whole, the container is broken, what, what are you putting into the body?

Even if it’s food as medicine. So you’re, you’re bringing this information into your body through food, but if the container, the structure of the container… It’s like putting something in a leaky bucket. Yeah. So I think that movement is that other piece. We gotta fix the leaky buckets. Yeah. And then, then as you- anything that you bring in, the food that you bring in, the information that you’re bringing in through the food, it’s not gonna go out of the holes in the leaky bucket.

Yeah. It gets to sit in here and do what it needs to do energetically to help enhance, complete the process. So I think it’s, again, it’s foundational. It’s sort of like, well, you know, what, what, what are the nutrients that you want to bring in the body? And I say the first nutrient is the breath. And the breath also with the breath comes movement.

So that awareness, you know, the excursion of the, you know, the ribcage and these bucket handle ribs, the excursion of the diaphragm, these are all fundamental life-enhancing movements that occur in this human body- Yeah … in this human s- So tapping into that with intention and awareness so that we really optimize everything else that we’re trying to do and what we’re calling now the modifiable risk factors.

Yeah. Have you ever come across eurythmy? Do you know what that is? Yes. So yeah, I’ve, I’ve got- introduced to that for the last few years, and so it’s interesting that different pla- if, if different places in the world come to the same conclusion about the same type of thing from different places, you know that that’s a universal truth, right?

Yes, abso- exactly. And that’s these ancient wisdom traditions, when we’re talking about qigong, tai chi, the martial arts, breathwork. These things have been around for tens of thousands of years, so they knew something. Yeah. And these universal truths keep showing up, and we give them different names. You know, different names for the vibration of different audiences.

Yeah. But they’re Eternal, right? Yeah, eternal. They keep showing up for every generation. Amazing. So the purpose of this show started at the beginning because I would come to these conferences, and I’d sit there, and I’d be like, “Everyone needs to see this. Every physician needs it,” and so few people were actually there, and they weren’t always videoing it.

So can you give us just a little taste of, like, how Qigong maps onto the matrix? Oh, absolutely. So the f- the first one, and I’m, I’m gonna talk about today, you know, go through all seven nodes, but the… One of the ones is, is structure. That’s, that’s a node. So what about our structural integrity? And so, again, there’s the form and function, and Qigong is a embodied movement practice.

Mm. So there’s the structure. There it’s going through muscle and fascia and bone. And this one also has one of the stronger evidence base because, you know, you know, that’s a part of Western world- Yeah … and Western culture, right? You know, we always wanna know what’s the randomized control trial, what’s the evidence base?

So I’m gonna kinda start at the top and then go through all seven nodes, the top being where’s the strongest evidence base- Okay … and then where is it more supportive? Just to give people that framework- Yeah … and then encourage the research. Let’s keep growing this out. And maybe it is not that, you know, Qigong is going to have the strongest evidence throughout all seven of the nodes, but maybe it is going to be found that it is a vital sign, and it is structurally fundamental that supports all these seven nodes.

So that’s what we’ll be talking about today. Well, and also, look, this is… These are all interconnected networks, right? Yeah. So it doesn’t really matter about the evidence base for one. If the one’s driving all the rest, then who cares? Exact- exactly. Exactly Who cares? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. All right. I’d love to get your thoughts on, you know, I’ve been really sort of more passionately involved for the last couple years on the topic of, um, dementia and Alzheimer’s, and, um, I just…

I feel like, uh, the fact that this is typically done in groups, right, that there’s a, there’s a connection. You talked about the social fabric. Um, the fact that we’re bringing in movement, strength, um, you know, even, like, building muscle, which seems to be, like, a critical, uh- Yes … you know, risk factor, that this, this could be, you know, part of a cultural transformation, part of which is through functional medicine because it’s the only things that seem to have ever worked for reversing it.

But that if you could add this into it, you start to get, you know, a lot more, a lot more w- So I just wanna take a minute to talk about the incredible mission partners that we have here at The Evolution of Medicine that have made this possible. So first and foremost, I wanna thank Fullscript and Fullscript Journeys.

So Fullscript’s been an amazing partner for 10 years. We only pick partners that can help us achieve our vision and help you achieve your practice vision. And Fullscript have been an incredible partner for a decade, but their new offering, Journeys, and this is why we called it The Evolution of Medicine Journeys, is allowing practitioners to combine the relationships that they have with the newest technology to sell direct-to-consumer lab testing, and use it as a funnel to bring into your practice, and it’s a game changer for the whole industry.

So go to goevomed.com/journeys and you can get started on building the journeys for your practice, an optimal way into your practice. We’re gonna have some conversations about it. This is a game changer. Next, Genova. Genova, um, have been fans of The Evolution of Medicine for a long time. We’re big fans of them, and they now have a lot more specialty testing.

They have a lot more tools, and it’s a key part of, uh, understanding the body ecologically. So go to goevomed.com/genova to find out more. Come on over here and I wanna show you about the other mission partners. You know, if you’ve been following us for a while, you know that these are organizations that we trust, that add a lot of value.

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Um,  BigBoost Marketing, uh, Uli and his team are the best in the business when it comes to really understanding how to market your functional medicine practice. Go to goevomed.com/bigboost and see how they can help you. And then what you’re gonna be hearing a, a lot about is the formation of clinical networks.

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Absolutely. I b- you know, when we talk about that social connection, so we’re talking about the interconnected web of all humanity. And again, this is something coming down through ancient wisdom traditions. Look at all the practices, all the movement practices across the globe. Many, many, many African cultures, many, many European cultures that where movement is fundamental and people don’t do it by themselves, although getting in the room and dancing like nobody’s watching-

is a fabulous thing, but it’s done in group. I can’t help but be connected to you- Yeah … if I’m feeling your energy, I’m feeling your joy, I’m feeling your love, and that’s being transmuted to me. It’s gonna be hard for me not to feel better. Mm. It’s gonna be hard for me to feel like I have no relationship to you if I’m moving with you, if I’m hearing your breath.

I’m feeling the energy coming off of your body. Yeah. And it’s that part. And again, this is fundamental to the definition of practicing qigong. It was practiced in group, not in isolation. And it is wonderful to go to China and 4:00 in the morning, you know, the hour of meditation, you, you go in parks and people are just moving pre-sunrise.

Thousands of people in the parks. It is something to witness and experience. And- Mm … yeah, we… It’d be fabulous to bring that here so people really understand this interconnection of humanity. And this is how we heal. This is how we heal. We heal in group. I get better because you get better. This is also how our mind and our mirror neurons- Oh

work and connect together. We don’t know all the mechanisms. We do know, though, that studies are showing, early studies are showing that there is, um, if not a reversal either a slowing down of the onset of dementia. Mm. We’re seeing that. And it may yet prove to be preventive. Yeah. That’s amazing. Well, I, I would say, so I’m deep in it now, and there’s a, there’s a study that is about to be published that shows 92% of people improve their cognition with functional medicine because the operating system is network insufficiency, understanding the insufficiency of the networks and, and work- and working accordingly.

And there’s some part of Qi Gong that is, like, building network sufficiency, building network coherence across all the networks simultaneously. Yeah. And ultimately, like, if we get our mind into the fact that the paradigm is network insufficiency and the paradigm is building network coherence, this seems like a tool that can really get us there.

Yeah, I’m so excited about it. I’m, I was, uh, granted some, a small amount of funding, a research study that I’m doing through Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine at an, uh, an adult living community. Amazing. And so I’ve trained medical students in a particular form of Qi Gong, and we’re working out in the community.

Our grant’s called the Compassionate Community Grant. And again, to see the, some of the, the people that are coming, they’re all between, like, 75 and, and 97 actually- Amazing … the age range, and they love the social aspect. They show up there. They sit in circle. They move together, and there’s this incredible deepening of the bond, the human heart, that they look forward to this for not just the movement, ’cause they, they love the movement, but they look forward to it also, again, for how it makes them feel and how it makes them…

And it’s wonderful to see how they connect with the students. So you have this intergenerational- Yeah … connectivity that’s also happening, which is another part of this group work, right? That it goes through generations. Yeah. That’s really powerful. It’s got my mind thinking about all the different ways that this could be, you know, could be used and harnessed.

I’d love to, to find out more about, you know, Montana. Like you had chosen to come and move from New Jersey to go to Montana. You know, this is, you know, how, how have these ideas permeated into the sort of the Idaho or the, the, sorry, the, um, Montana culture? Well, it’s, it’s interesting. One of the things that I notice about the Montana culture fir- there are people who love the land.

Mm. And th- that’s kind of like they, first of all, they wanna know, they ask you, “What kind of work do you do?” And then they shake your hand and they’re like, “Well, can you rope a calf?” Mm. “Can you mend a fence? Can, can you, can you sh- shoot a gun?” Because it’s sort of like, oh, you just work with your head. You don’t work with your hands, your body.

So there’s a tremendous amount of respect for being able to work the land, so that’s part of the culture. The other thing is they do love to relax in group. We have a wonderful regional theater there, and they will show up for a country western concert. They’ll show up for a jazz concert. They’ll show up…

Recently we had a incredible tango dance concert. They’ll show up for that. They’ll be in their cowboy hats and their boots, but they’re curious. So part of that Value in that culture is, is driven by curiosity and driven by connection. This is how they relax together. They find ways, and they do like, they, you know, not the violin, but the fiddle, and line dancing.

So there is a thread in that culture- Yeah … that says that we move together, we listen to music together, and you see it growing in popularity, particularly in the city of Billings, which is the largest city. Yeah. The rest of the state is very, very rural, so people can be very scattered apart, but they really do cherish coming together, and that was a delightful surprise for me.

That’s amazing. What, what are you, uh, what are you taking away so far from, from this conference and how it feeds into your work, and what are some of the things that you’ll be taking back, uh, to Billings? Well, one of the things I’m gonna be taking back, uh, to Village is, uh, to Billings, is really this whole concept of functional medicine.

I really want to introduce it to my colleagues and work in partnership with the institute to really expand this idea of integrative medicine and functional medicine, you know, being right there in the center of that. And it just makes sense- Yeah … being osteopaths, which, you know, this whole person care, which is such a fundamental part of osteopathic medicine here in the United States.

And I’m also gonna be… We opened with dance. Yeah. The concert, the whole concert. It was like a concert in that moment. So the whole conference opened with dance. This morning we had a beautiful tai chi session led by a doctor who practices at the Scripps Institute. Mm. So there has been a f- a fundamental thread of the importance of- movement, the importance of connection, and the importance of community tapping in through this energetic interconnected web of humanity, and it’s that idea that I’m going to be expounding upon and talking about more and more and more.

I, um, do have, um, s- several courses where one of my courses is Qigong in the osteopathic medicine and manipulative practices, and I’m also teaching a course that I designed on integrative medicine, so really expanding those courses and bringing more opportunities so that young doctors-to-be, you don’t just tell a person to move more.

Yeah. You’ve got some tools in your toolkit, and you’ve got some foundation about breathwork. You’re developing a practice. I’m encouraging all my faculty, staff, and the students, you need a personal practice. You don’t just tell somebody to go do… What are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing to impact the field yourself?

And that starts with your own healing. I’m just imagining right now, uh, a doctor and practitioner who, you know, is practicing functional medicine where they have sort of a, a language, a common language to build teams and work with these kinds of practitioners, where they are looking to get out further into the community, and where they could go out and actually do things like doing Qigong in the park, where people will see it and be like, “What is this?

I want it.” Because there is, I think there is a moment where people are starting to be attracted to something that they know that they want, but they just don’t know how to get it. Yeah. Um, I created a couple years a, a thing called Vagus Fest, and the goal was to try and get people doing vagus nerve healing essentially in parks and in groups, so as a way to kind of put that at the beginning of healing, rather than doing all the functional medicine stuff and then being like, “Oh, hang on, the nervous system needs help.”

Like, start there because that’s the communication pathway of everything. Absolutely. And I, I feel like- This is just that essentially, because qigong is that It is. It’s the communication node, right? Yeah. So a- and I love that. I love… ‘Cause, you know, vag- vagus nerve and that’s just so fascinating, and that is that autonomic nervous system that we are impacting and healing when we do this kind of, uh, contemplative movement.

Yeah. So I love that idea, and that’s a, that’s the wonderful. Let’s just start doing little flash mobs of vagus nerve healing and qigong and breathwork outdoors where- Yeah … the community can see it. It’s a remarkable experience to see it, i.e. you would see it and you would remark on it to someone else. “Do you see what was happening in the park right there?”

“Oh, I saw it. It kinda looks cool. I… Maybe I wanna be into that.” Yeah. I love that. Maybe that’s what I’ll do this summer, a little flash mob, you know? Yeah, a little qigong flash mob- Yeah … in Billings, Montana. Well, if you do do that, capture it on video ’cause I’d love to see it, and I’d love to see how it, uh, how it works.

And look, I would just say, um, I wanna share a little bit about, you know, Gabe and I and the vision that he had before he passed, and it was really that, you know, we had built the Functional Forum around the idea early on when there was very little… There was much less functional medicine talent than there is today, right?

There were a lot fewer practitioners who r- really had, um, built an expertise. And so the show that we started in 2014, we had a show and we live-streamed it so that, you know, if you were in Billings, Montana back then and there wasn’t a lot of functional medicine talent, you could at least watch it on the TV.

And then you could be in a group of people that were into it, and you could, you know, build confidence from speaking to people locally, but also seeing it on the TV. And you know, one of the things that, that Gabe saw was that he could imagine something similar happening there where, you know, he- the person that he followed, he found on YouTube.

And you know, for, for the years before he built a local little group of people that did it together, you know, he just had that kind of relationship. But then over time, um, there’s enough people locally where you can actually have that much richer community experience with it. And, um, I, you know, I, when I, when I saw that you, what you were speaking about, um, it made me want to share that ’cause I don’t think I really shared it much at that point.

We did do a webinar about six months before he passed with, uh, talking about qigong, um, but- I think you have, you have a sort of a, the presence from the dancing, plus the DO credibility that I hope can maybe move the needle in moving this forward, and it would be a big, uh… I, I wanna help however I can to get this moving, because I think you’re an incredible spokesperson for it, and I actually think this could be the, the mending of the social fabric that we so desperately need, and is necessary to not only fix healthcare, but also, uh, the social transformation that we need to be whole to be healthy.

Yes. I’d love to partner with you on that. Yeah. That would be awesome. Well, watch this space, ’cause we’ll, we’ll find out a way to do that. And, uh, thank you so much for your pioneering work. Thank you for bringing this topic. Um, I’ve, you know, been blown away, uh, been recording these podcasts about just how much of, uh, cultural wisdom when it comes to functional medicine can understand where function is lost and build back function in new and interesting ways that cost less and are more valuable and, uh, and more cohesive.

And I think that if we really want to take, you know, the widespread adoption of functional medicine, there are gonna have to be ways that we measure function and improve function- Yeah … that don’t look like the ways that they’ve, uh, been in V1, and that’s just, that is the evolution of medicine. Absolutely.

And thank you for the work that you’re doing. So I’ve been a fan, and I just, you know, I love your books and resonate. So when I got the invitation to, I was like, “Really? Really?” You know? But seriously, and I, I do think that we can do things in functional medicine that are accessible. Yeah. ‘Cause that’s been part of the problem, right?

Not accessible. Very, very head, heady, heady, heady, heady. Yeah. And what’s more fundamental than inviting people to tap into what’s already there? Your breath, simple movement, easy movement, and again, the profound beauty and tenderness of experiencing your own humanity. Right. And really knowing, really knowing that it’s here.

Love that. All right. Well, this has been a wonderful episode. Thank you, doctor. Thank you for, for being here. Thank you. Um, this has been another episode of The Evolution of Medicine podcast. If this inspired you, please share it with physicians, friends, anyone that you think needs to hear this message. I think this is incredibly powerful, and it takes me back to, you know, the legacy of The Evolution of Medicine and what we would love to achieve, and I hope that this was, um, inspiring to all of you.

Um, we will have another episode next week. Thanks so much for tuning in. We’ll see you next time. So I just wanna take a minute to talk about the incredible mission partners that we have here at The Evolution of Medicine that have made this possible. So first and foremost, I wanna thank- Fullscript and Fullscript Journey.

So Fullscript’s been an amazing partner for 10 years. We only pick partners that can help us achieve our vision and help you achieve your practice vision. And Fullscript have been an incredible partner for a decade, but their new offering Journeys, this is why we called it The Evolution of Medicine Journeys, is allowing practitioners to combine the relationships that they have with the newest technology to sell direct-to-consumer lab testing, and use it as a funnel to bring into your practice, and it’s a game changer for the whole industry.

So go to goevomed.com/journeys, and you can get started on building the Journeys for your practice, an optimal way into your practice. We’re gonna have some conversations about it. This is a game changer. Next, Genova. Genova, um, have been fans of The Evolution of Medicine for a long time. We’re big fans of them, and they now have a lot more specialty testing.

They have a lot more tools, and it’s a key part of, uh, understanding the body ecologically. So go to goevomed.com/genova to find out more. Come on over here and I wanna show you about the other mission partners. You know, if you’ve been following us for a while, you know that these are organizations that we trust, that add a lot of value.

Freedom Practice Coaching. Um, I have been sup- supported by them since the beginning and, you know, so many of the issues that practitioners face in building a successful practice, scaling a successful practice, come down to having the right support with people who have been there and done that. Go to goevomed.com/fpc.

Um, BigBoost Marketing. Uh, Uli and his team are the best in the business when it comes to really understanding how to market your functional medicine practice. Go to goevomed.com/bigboost and see how they can help you. And then what you’re gonna be hearing a, a lot about is the formation of clinical networks.

And ultimately, TruNeura is our first effort at that, which is to build an integrated clinical network, combining independent practices from across the country into a network that can reverse cognitive decline. And if you go to goevomed.com/truneura, you can get a demo. You can see what it means to be part of an integrated clinical network.

That’s mentorship, that’s software, and that’s making it easier for you to get incredible outcomes in a disease state where there are no other options. So thanks to our mission partners. Let’s get back to the content

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