James Maskell’s guest on this episode is Jeffrey A. Morrison, MD, whose clinical approach is to use nutrition to prevent or reverse degenerative and chronic disease. In both his clinical practice and as a member of the Board of Directors of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine, he considers detoxification a critical foundation for health.

During this conversation, Dr. Morrison emphasizes that toxins in the environment are a major cause of disease and our bodies are not equipped to handle the vast array of chemicals present in our modern environment.

He explains that detoxification is a natural process where cells push toxins into the connective tissue, which then moves them through the lymphatic system, liver, gallbladder and digestive tract for elimination—or through sweat or breathing. However, if the body is overwhelmed with toxins or the detoxification process is hindered, symptoms and illness can occur. Most often, this shows up as visible inflammation, aches and pains, fatigue, skin issues, or brain fog.

Dr. Morrison recommends supporting detoxification through practices such as regular exercise, anti-inflammatory eating, drinking plenty of water and maintaining regular bowel movements. He also discusses the importance of the lymphatic system in detoxification and the role of the nervous system in regulating detoxification.

Please listen to this full episode to learn more about the following:

  • Group detox programs to save money and time for practitioners and patients alike
  • The role of saunas in detoxification
  • The American Academy of Environmental Medicine’s focus on educating practitioners and advocating for environmental health
  • And much more

Lifestyle Matrix Resource Center sponsors Evolution of Medicine and provides patient education materials and sample protocols related to detoxification. You can visit their website at LifestyleMatrix.com or contact them at contactus@lifestylematrix.com.

Detox: What You Need to Know | Episode 328

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: The mitochondria are not getting oxygen in, and it’s not able to move electrons through the chain.

So, rather than the mitochondria typically making like 36 ATP per cycle, it’s only burning sugar for energy through glycolysis, which is making two ATP. So, that means that the cells are becoming 18 times less efficient, they’re just getting tired. And if the cells don’t make energy, then that means none of the cellular processes are working, so an even bigger reason why toxins start building up, the cells don’t do what they’re supposed to. So, that means that the thyroid becomes deficient, the liver will become deficient, the heart’s not going to produce energy the way it needs to, and certainly the brain won’t. But the typical sign is lack of endurance, brain fog.

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Hello and welcome back to the podcast. We are super excited to have Dr. Jeffrey Morrison back on our channel. In the early days of the Functional Forum, he gave some amazing talks. He was an attendee of the early Functional Forums and is really a leader in environmental medicine.

As you’ll hear in this podcast, he’s going to talk us through exactly the things that he thinks about when he’s thinking about detoxification, why it’s critical, how the world is really coming around to the need for it, and medicine is coming around to it. So, that’s exciting. We talked about how to organize detoxification in your practice, and we talked about the power of detox groups and when to do them and how to do them. And then we also talked about his role in the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and his work and advocacy towards the transformation of medicine around understanding the interplay with the environment. Very, very interesting 45 minutes. Love this guy, and I think you will too, if you’ve never heard of him, Dr. Jeffrey Morrison. Enjoy.

James Maskell: So, a warm welcome back to the podcast, Dr. Jeffrey Morrison. Doc, great to have you back.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Hey James, it’s great to be here. Thank you for the invitation and it’s always exciting when we get to talk. Thank you.

James Maskell: Absolutely. Well look today I’d love to talk about detoxification and talk about your work, your practice, and now you’re growing advocacy for it in medicine. And obviously it’s a weird time in medicine where if you look back almost eight or nine years ago now you’ve got big medical organizations, I guess communicating some of the new science about transgenerational epigenetics and the way in which toxicity is affecting reproductive health. And yet if you have an average conversation with an average physician, most physicians would probably talk about how the body is detoxifying the whole time and detoxing’s a fad and all these kind of things. So, how do you bring together those two edges of a conversation that with your expertise to make that clear and easy to understand for either laypeople or physicians?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, I’m so excited to talk about detoxification. It’s something that I’ve been focusing on in my practice for 10, 15 … Well, since I’ve been practicing, 15 to 20 years. I hate to date myself. And over this course of time, everybody that in my world has been talking about the toxins in the environment and how they affect our health and what we should be doing about it. But now I think we’re hitting a period in modern health where there’s really a lot more conversation from all the general medical organizations about toxins in the environment and that being a major cause of disease. In fact, the Wall Street Journal just published an article two weeks ago saying there’s been an alarming increase in rate of patients with cancer below the age of 30, people with brain cancers and colon cancers. And the question within the article is why.

I think they actually had some good questions as possible reasons for the why. Maybe there’s something in our environment or maybe the diet is different or maybe there’s stress, but nonetheless, the environment was a big piece of the possibility. So, if the environment has toxins in it that we’re getting exposed to, whether it’s in the air or in the water, in the food, it’s important to identify what those are.

I think it’s now quite clear that our body is not able to take what we are getting exposed to, which our parents and grandparents never had to get exposed to because the chemicals in today’s society are so vast and different that now we know that our health is being affected. And we have to do something to improve our body’s detoxification, otherwise illness sets in because those toxins affect how our cells produce energy, and how our immune system works, and how the brain functions. So, to me, the detox conversation is coming up not just from me, but the patients that are coming in to see me. And I had a lot of my colleagues, we are all talking about this as a big problem.

James Maskell: Absolutely. Well, very well said. And yeah, it is exciting to see more of that becoming mainstream and obviously the key piece will be, are the people who are involved in regular detoxification dying of cancer at the rate of the background rate that seems to be going up. And I think my first flush or feeling would be no, because obviously they’re working proactively to try and reduce that total toxic load. But I guess we’ll see as we move along. One of the things that I’ve come to understand about detoxification is that a lot of thought has been put into how to do it in such a way that it works with the natural emunctories of the body and how they work. So, do you want to just give us the baseline way that you see or you teach to think about moving toxins out of the body and what has to be done in what order?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: The body does have a natural process by which it eliminates toxins. Our cells have the ability to manage toxins. The cells try to push toxins into the connective tissue, which then takes the toxins through the lymphatic system through circulation into the liver, through the gallbladder, into the digestive tract and out of the body or through sweat and breathing. Those are other possible ways, but the most important ways through the digestive tract. And in fact, actually, if a person’s digestive tract is not working properly, if a person has constipation or inflammation in the digestive tract, the body then tries to shoot toxins to other excretory organs. Sometimes people that are having the urge to frequently urinate, it’s because the liver, it can’t process its toxins and is trying to get it through the kidneys. Or when people start noticing that they’re getting itchy skin or rashes or psoriasis, that would be another potential sign that the liver can’t process the toxins that it’s getting exposed to and then it’s trying to go through the skin.

So, we think about it as a step wise process starting from the cell out of the body. And if a person has a healthy body, usually the actions of exercise, which basically moves the muscles, which means it helps to pump the lymphatic system, along with eating anti-inflammatory foods and drinking lots of water and having a regular bowel movements, which means one to three times a day could be enough to manage the toxins for some people.

But nowadays, how many people do we know that are even either having constipation or loose bowel movements, or they’re having digestive gas or bloating which suggest inflammation in the digestive tract? Or they’re having fatigue or brain fog, which means that their brain is getting backed up or their cells are not making energy properly because they’re getting toxic. So, I give you the sense of what generally should happen, but there are so many steps on this process that can get derailed and then symptoms start to happen.

James Maskell: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I’ve heard it said you could just start with the entry point and work your way up. Obviously if you are constipated, it’s maybe the starting point isn’t a deep cellular detox. Eventually it’s got to go somewhere and if there’s a plug at the end of it, you’re probably going to end up with more symptoms, right?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, great point. So, within how to reverse this process, obviously avoiding exposure is the most important. And that’s through drinking clean water, breathing clean air, eating clean food, and then making sure that the exhaust system is working, which is what I call it. That’s the make sure that a person’s having regular bowel movements one to three times a day, and that’s more difficult said than done, which means sometimes fiber helps some people, but sometimes people need to do more like taking magnesium oxide to help stimulate bring fluid into the colon so that they can have regular bowel movements along with drinking enough water one to two or three liters per day. Sometimes people are deficient in probiotics because they were on too many antibiotics when they were kids, and then without enough probiotics, they can’t make enough bulk in the intestinal tract. Remember, the bulk of bowel movements is from probiotics and not fiber.

So, one sign of not enough good bacteria is not bulky stools and taking probiotics can help, but it’s not easy to restore a healthy intestinal microbiota because a lot of the good bacteria get destroyed in the stomach. That’s why people have tried doing the colon reflorastation and it’s very controversial, but sometimes that can be life-changing for people. Just one of my patients yesterday who had terrible digestive tract inflammation and reflux and constipation, he did it and he was like, “I haven’t seen you in one and a half years.” He’s like, “Yeah, I did reflorastation.” And he did it bottom up and it worked.

James Maskell: Well. Yeah, I don’t know where in the germ theory they said that they could predict that that would’ve happened, but it’s pretty exciting to see that. And I think one of, obviously the benefits of that is you’ll just have such a diverse flora in that compared to any sort of commercially available product you’re going to have. There’s much more diversity of microbes in poop or in the air or in a forest or in nature than you could find in any commercially available probiotic. And so it makes a lot of sense that that would be a pathway towards that journey.

You mentioned an organ system that I’d just like to focus on for a minute because I think this is one, and I remember in some of the early Functional Forums where you participated and came as a guest, there was some conversation that the lymph was really not educated on in medical school, that the lymph was sort of a forgotten part of the body, and yet when it comes to understanding toxicity, it’s mission-critical.

And actually, earlier at the end of last year, I remember listening to an audio program about the interstitium, and it made me think of the lymph too, because here was an organ that took up 25% of all the fluid in the body but was not really understood at all by conventional medicine. It made me think back to those early forums where I think doctors like yourself were saying, “Yeah, the lymph has really been not educated on appropriately to physicians,” and only physicians really that end up thinking in these ways start to realize just how mission-critical the lymph is to regulating toxins in the body.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, so the lymphatic system I think of as our body sewage system, and if you use that analogy, you mostly think about how the connective tissue or the tissue in our body is using the lymphatic system to clear toxins that are created within the cells. Also, that’s where toxins that come into our body then try to go back out of the body at the same time. The problem with our lymphatic system is people are sedentary, they’re not moving as much as they used to. When it comes to the circulatory system, we know that the heart’s beating and that helps to move blood throughout the body. How does lymphatic fluid move? The only way is through movement, and that’s why people talk about doing rebounders, which are little trampolines to try to get the lymphatic system to move, but really walking and exercising, lifting weights, anything that’s getting the muscles to pump is pumping the lymphatic system.

When people are feeling fluid retention like puffy hands or puffy feet or redness, if the skin feels like it’s squishy like a rotten orange, we know that the lymphatic system is backed up. And that baggage, if it gets too backed up, then our body starts trying to store toxins in fat cells. So, while we usually think about fat as the storage for calories, but it’s also the storage for toxins. So, when people are having difficulty with weight loss, it’s often because there’s toxins stored in the fat and the body doesn’t have any way to get rid of it. So, it’s almost like a protective mechanism.

A lot of people are healthy and they can do things to help their bowels move and that will help to flush their gallbladder and their liver will start functioning properly. But when you see a person that’s so toxic that they’re having edema and swelling and feeling puffy, that’s when the lymphatic system’s backed up. And that’s really when the cells are not going to get enough oxygen. There’s covered inflammation, and that’s when people get the chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia type symptoms. Their cells are full of lactic acid, they get achy and then they get brain fog. I think that that’s the telltale sign, low energy, poor brain energy, toxicity.

James Maskell: Just to triangulate that with something we talked about a lot last year, which was the health of the mitochondria, if the mitochondria are critical in that role of energy production, what you’re really talking about is sort of like a poisoning of the mitochondria so that they’re not able to function. Dr. Andy Heyman last year went as far as suggesting that the energy created by the mitochondria is sort of akin to the vital force or the innate force that chiropractors and naturopathic doctors would understand. And without that cellular energy being created, that that would help understand the physiology of how low energy occurs with toxicity. Would you think that that’s reasonable?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, and I love Dr. Heyman. He is so smart and one of the unique things about him is that he’s both a doctor and trained in traditional Chinese medicine, so he’s the perfect person to make that analogy. But I would also say the exact same thing, which is most of our chronic illnesses are born from lack of cellular energy, and that’s where Jerry Tennant would call it lack of voltage, which means that there’s no electron transport chain is not working, and all that has to do with, there’s the cells are acidic, the mitochondria are not getting oxygen in, and it’s not able to move electrons through the chain.

So, rather than the mitochondria typically making like 36 ATP per cycle, it’s only burning sugar for energy through glycolysis, which is making two ATP. So, that means that the cells are becoming 18 times less efficient, they’re just getting tired. And if the cells don’t make energy, then that means none of the cellular processes are working, so an even bigger reason why toxins start building up, the cells don’t do what they’re supposed to. So, that means that the thyroid becomes deficient, the liver will become deficient, the heart’s not going to produce energy the way it needs to, and certainly the brain won’t. But the typical sign is lack of endurance, brain fog.

If you have those symptoms, you’re not making energy and then how to get rid of it … Well, toxicity will lead to disease, and disease is just dependent on either a person’s genetics or person’s environment. And the disease will be impacted by whether a person’s susceptible to metabolic issues, so like their blood sugar insulin goes off or is it because they got an infection, they have a chronic virus that’s their immune system is deficient to fight off, or do they pick up a parasite or bad bacteria or a yeast in their digestive tract? All of these things that are adding more inflammation into the body adds also more toxicity because of the acidity related to the infection, which protects it from our immune system and further makes it more difficult to detoxify. So, it can get complicated, but the simple thing is make sure the exhaust system’s working, the digestive tract, and then also make sure the lymphatic system’s working, which means move.

James Maskell: Yeah. Let me just ask you about that because you are a New Yorker. I was a New Yorker for a number of years, and I would say if I compare my New York life to my living in the country life, I would say my exposure to toxins is far lower now because I’m not breathing the air and I’m out in the country and there’s a lot of clean air. However, my everyday walking patterns are less because in New York it was just the default to walk everywhere. And so I have to consciously go after my steps here as opposed to just going around my day as I used to in New York and walking miles and miles.

So, I’m just wondering if you had any insight on that because ultimately, I’m sure there’s practitioners listening to this who have a range of practice situations. Are you in the city, are you in the country? And so how do you feel that those two things even out, are New Yorkers less susceptible because they walk so much and so the lymph is flowing, and is that more of a powerful factor than the added toxicity of living in, I guess a dirty city, I should say?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: One of the reasons that people say they like coming to New York City is because of the energy. And while that energy can be really great for having a social life, it’s not so great for having a nervous system that will allow for the detox process. So, we always talk about the fight or flight response or the rest and digest, the sympathetic versus parasympathetic, and obviously our nervous system can’t work in both at the same time. So, in New York, while yeah, it is great that people are able to be a little bit more active, I think that that’s potentially offset by the fact that there’s very difficult to get downtime.

So, most New Yorkers are overheated, they’re wired for energy, and then that means that their body’s not also at the same time in the rest, digest and detox part of their nervous system. With that in mind, when we are seeing patients from New York City, that is what I cannot tell you how many patients I’m referring to my health coach for emotional freedom technique and body code and mind code and all the things that are trying to calm the nervous system. So, just as is important to move, it’s also important to be able to relax, and it’s the cyclic energy that helps a person to get back, get their body into balance. So, I think you’re probably made the right decision in a more calm, environmentally safe, healthy place.

James Maskell: That ties nicely into stuff that we are going to be talking about later this year on about the vagus nerve and the importance of the vagus nerve and getting into parasympathetic state. And what you’re saying actually reminds me of, I think one of the best interviews I ever did was with Nick Gonzalez right before he passed, that summer before he passed, and his whole thesis about cancer was about regulating the sympathetic and parasympathetic state with food.

His diet recommendations were really dynamic because it was like whatever you need to eat, whatever you need to do to get back into balance. And obviously, in a patient base full of New Yorkers, you might find that more sympathetic was needed, but if you look across a broader population, there are parts of the population that need a little bit more sympathetic because they’re always in the parasympathetic. So, that was something that really opened my eyes early on to the complexity of this question and the interrelatedness of the digestive system, the immune system, the vagus nerve and the body as a whole.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, we miss him and he was doing the body typing, which I thought he had such great results with that, based on acidity and mineral values. But it’s true, that’s what we see also. We always are thinking about a person has physical symptoms and many of our patients have some kind of emotional issue that triggered their nervous system to be in a chronic fight or flight response. That’s the post-traumatic stress. And so while as much as I want to help people detox, I kind of help them to recognize that if their nervous system is in a state of sympathetic dominance, then they cannot be in the detox state at the same time.

James Maskell: That’s cool. Well, look, I want to just say there’s an unlimited amount of education that you could have on that topic, and it’s all interrelated, and I know that if you’re listening to this, you’re more likely on the path towards the continual lifelong learning that there is on learning about biotransformation and detoxification and so forth. So, I appreciate you giving us a little window into how you think. I wanted to just comment on a trend that I see that I see as probably a best practice in the industry, which is most patients who come into a clinic like yours, they have a particular need at a moment. So, they have symptoms that they don’t know how to deal with, and those symptoms are downstream of either not enough good stuff or too much bad stuff, and you go through a process of looking to create homeostasis and getting them into homeostasis.

And then the question is, do they really need you anymore? Because now they’re educated, they’re empowered, they understand their body to a certain degree, but typically life goes on. And so one of the things that I’ve seen is that practitioners will run an annual detox, let’s say program at certain times of the year for either historical patients that they’ve worked with who want to get back onto the train or new patients can come in as well. One of the trends that I’m seeing is that a lot of clinics are using groups to do this because it can be more cost-effective, it’s more time efficient, it doesn’t take the main provider’s time, you can have your health coach run the groups. Also, that there’s value in the group structure, not only from doing the protocol again, but also sort of like the safety if you want to get back to the vagus nerve of doing it in community and being with other people who are on the same journey. And I just wanted to see what your thoughts were about that as an emerging best practice.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Oh, James, I agree with you 100%. In fact, actually, my health coach is excited for our group detox in the spring. We love it for exactly the reasons that you suggest and if anybody’s listening in and wants to learn how to do the group sessions, I think that you’ve got such a good program for teaching practices how to do that. Generally, we love it because we love our community of practitioners and patients and our patients want to know what we do on an ongoing basis to maintain our health and hopefully we can be role models for them. And in fact, actually, we learn a great deal from our patients as well. So, it’s a sharing of ideas and resources. I am constantly learning about new ways to do things from the patients that I thought I knew the best way to do it.

So, I really believe that even if a practitioner feels like they don’t have the time to do it, if the practitioners get a lot out of it because of the sharing of information and basically want to get people into a tempo. And I think I always try to use the tempo analogy because there’s the sun comes up and goes down at the same time every day and we should get into a similar type of rhythm. And the rhythms are daily and seasonally, and doing a detox at a certain time of year once or twice can help be a really a huge grounding force for a patient to help their nervous system get accustomed to something healthy once a year. And it doesn’t have to be just New Year’s resolutions. And then being in that group setting, both the patients and practitioners get so much out of the mix. So, we love it. And you’re a great resource for that.

James Maskell: Are you aware, or is there a certain time of year that you think is most natural for the body? If you think about the annual rhythms, when do you like to do yours?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Generally, in the spring and fall, honestly. In the spring it’s kind of like renewal. That’s the obvious time. So, that’s when the new shoots are sprouting up, that’s when the body’s in a restorative process. We want to take advantage of that. So, as the weather in the northeast starts turning from cold to cool to warm, in that cool period, we like to have an opportunity to make sure we reset the meal plan. In our detox process, we’re using a shake as a meal replacement once a day and then an anti-inflammatory diet for lunch and dinner.

Then use certain supplements to just help improve regular bowel movements, gallbladder flow, liver, antioxidants, liver/kidney support, lymphatic drainage, and then also make sure that the patient is also thinking about what to do for their nervous system. And the other time is the fall, the transition from warm to cool to cold again. So, I personally like fall as a time because that’s when the leaves are falling and that’s when you want to clean out before you get into the body’s natural conservation state. So, spring and fall.

James Maskell: Beautiful. Okay, great. Well, I love that. Well, look, it is winter now, and I know as well as you do that in New York, you think it’s going to be spring in March, but it’s actually May. It keeps you guessing. But yeah, it’s a good time to be thinking about that now and I’m glad that we’re putting this out now. So, if you’re listening to this and you want to start getting involved and put together a group detox and you don’t know how to do it, feel free to get in touch with us. We can send you towards some of the best resources of some of our partners who have made it really easy to execute on that and have resources and protocols. So, really appreciate your insight on that. And I do think that is a way to keep patients engaged, keep them loyal, keep them connected, great opportunity for them to bring their friends and other colleagues into the mix.

Great opportunity for a one-on-one experience for someone who might not pay to come and see a doctor but is interested in participating in something for their health. So, great opportunity to do that. And you will need some assets, you will need some tools. And so feel free to get in touch with us and our long-term advertisers here at the Functional Forum. The Lifestyle Matrix Resource Center has a lot of tools to be able to execute that in a sort of a group visit format, also in online education tools, so you can get in touch with them as well. I want to just end here, doc, because we had a chance for the first time to see each other actually for the first time in years. I haven’t been to New York for a long time, but it was at the American Academy of Environmental Medicine conference that you had last year.

And that event for me was really special because I just felt like there’s an energy that’s been missing from the leadership in our movement away from just really taking a moment to say, what just happened? What just happened with COVID and the reaction to COVID? And my expectation was that this was going to be the moment that our community kind of rose up to really understand is there a difference between, I don’t know, antibodies and immunity? Is there an understanding of what will lead to suboptimal outcomes in these viral issues? And I just felt we had so much expertise in areas that obviously public health was hungry for, but then the whole thing was a massive disaster. And we’re still living in a lot of that disaster right now with excess deaths and with heart disease on the rise. And like you said, the cancers and turbo cancers in young people.

And it was really the first time that I felt an organization say, this far no further, we know what we’re doing. It’s up to us to lead, I would say, in helping us get out of this mess because doing the same things over and over again won’t get us there. And I’ve kind of be waiting for that. I feel like we’d be doing that to a certain degree on our channel as much as is possible when your goal is to change medicine. I know that’s not everyone’s goal, but that is my goal, the transformation of medicine.

So, I had to chart what I thought was a reasonably conservative path through the pandemic, but other people probably wouldn’t view it as reasonably conservative. But I guess I wanted to touch in with you on it because it was really special for me to feel like that energy, and I know you were involved in curating that conference and now into the reemergence of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine as now hopefully a leading light in the restoration of medicine. And just to get your thoughts on why you’re involved and what you think is possible and what you think is missing and what gets you fired up about that organization.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Thank you, James. I really appreciate us having an opportunity to talk about it. American Academy of Environmental Medicine, it’s an organization that’s been around for over 50 years, teaching about how there are toxins in the environment, how they affect our health, what we should do about it. They have been involved with producing research and publications and also education and also advocacy. And I am the treasurer. I’m also on their curriculum committee. And we really feel like science is an open question mark. We want to know what the truth is, and I don’t claim to know the truth, but I do believe that we need to use our minds and question the research so that we can come up with reasonable conclusions that make sense to help patients, our patients, be well in today’s environment.

The theme of the Fall 2023 conference was COVID, What Happened, and in that we had some eye-opening presentations about the effects of spike protein on our immune system and our circulatory system and on our brain and our mood. Not only the health effects, but also the mood and nervous system effects because of all the fear that was created by all the media. We had a great turnout and having you there just made it even more special because of the influence that you have within the functional medicine community. We feel very strongly that the community is the most important thing and we’re in the process of growing that. We are going to have another conference coming up in November 2024. I hope that whoever’s listening will go to the American Academy of Environmental Medicine website. I think it’s a AAEMonline.com.

And in so doing, watch out for when our next conference is going to be, which is going to be the Environment 2024, to talk about what’s going on with air quality, water quality, food quality, and what we can do about it for our health. But we do feel that the answer is this is not a closed book. We are still in the midst of this, but I do feel like there’s a lot of great answers that did come from that conference and our patients are benefiting a great deal based on the lectures from McCullough and Ladapo and those groups. So, more to come.

James Maskell: Well, I want to just throw a specific thing out. I thought Peter McCullough’s presentation was amazing, and with Dr. Ladapo, obviously we’ve seen him step into a public health position in Florida where he has advocated for essentially functional medicine for public health. There’s no other city or state or country in the world that is advocating for turmeric or curcumin as part of their public health measure, but it’s there on the Florida Health website.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: How about exercise? He’s also advocating for exercise and eating healthy.

James Maskell: And so that was cool and it was interesting just to see quite how aligned he is to our community, which is really exciting and I thought that was really special. So, I’m excited to see what we can do to support the organization and the physicians there. Because I also know, just from coming to that conference, that a lot of those doctors are probably in the process of thinking about their own legacy for what is going to become of their clinic and all their clinical knowledge because it’s not that easy to …

Obviously there’s a lot of people that probably got fired up about this when the warning signs were coming with the environment in the ’70s, ’80s, ’90s, and here 30, 50 years later are probably ready to retire. And my own feeling is that we need to find a way to keep that alive. And I know that you and Dr. Guillory and many others who are in the leadership there see that same need, so I’m excited to see what we can do. We’ll definitely be talking more about the conference throughout the year and when you have your exact dates on and hopefully some ways that we can work together to reconnect. So, thank you and-

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: With that community, we are together, and I appreciate that we’re working together again.

James Maskell: Actually, one last thing I want to ask you. So, obviously Andrew Huberman is like a massive influencer now. Everyone seems to be following him and he and many others, Joe Rogan, otherwise have really popularized this idea of sauna in the West. And I actually have the pleasure of going to a Ukrainian hardcore banya once a month, where it’s unbelievably hot and you get hit with the oak leaves and it’s a very intense experience. But that’s because I understand the toxic elements of it. When you look at the studies and you see the amount of potential reduction in let’s say brain diseases and neurodegenerative diseases as a result of sauna, it seems to me that the mediator there is definitely toxins and detoxification. Would you agree with that? And are you as into the sauna trend as it seems like Americans are generally?

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: Yeah, I definitely am. And at the AAEM, we’ve been training doctors on how to use saunas for helping with their detox patients that are having difficulties with detoxification for years. But even recently there was a Swedish study that just came out comparing the population that did saunas to the ones that didn’t and found that those doing saunas had a longer life expectancy than the ones that didn’t. And I make it part of my personal life as well, but I just have a box in my house called a Therasage, which is basically like a heat box. And as long as a person’s sweating, in my opinion, that is enough. The goal is to sweat for 8 to 10 minutes, but that might be 20 to 25 minutes in a sauna and it helps toxins to get out of the body without having to be transformed in the liver and leaving through the colon. So, I’m in.

James Maskell: Great. Well, I just wanted to make sure that I was right on that and the outcomes. And if you haven’t seen the research for yourself on the Finnish studies on brain disease and sauna, I highly recommend it because I think it reinforces what we’re talking about here is that the thing that is mediating much of this chronic illness pathology otherwise is toxins. We’re starting to really see it now. Obviously leaders like yourself in the field have been talking about this for a long time and building a whole clinic around it in New York.

I want to honor your journey and advocacy that I’ve witnessed over the last 15 years of building a successful practice in New York, mentoring people like Robin Berzin, who now is bringing the ideas that she’s learned through you and through her own education to much bigger audiences through Parsley Health, and then now getting on the train to play a part in advocacy and taking it to all doctors. I think that’s mission-critical. And the reason why we all know that you walk the talk is because you never age and you look exactly the same as when I first met you 15 years ago.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: And so do you. So, do you.

James Maskell: I just wanted to honor that. So, Dr. Jeff Morrison, thank you for your participation. We’ll have the link to Dr. Morrison’s Center, really truly a model for what medical practices can be. And I know that you have helped a lot of people. You are my go-to guy when people in New York ask me, “Hey, I’m dealing with this extremely complex thing.” I think the fact that you are open to the fact that as an example, spike protein could be causing problems, will allow you to be helpful to someone who is experiencing the side effects of turning their body into a spike protein producing machine. So, that is a skillset that we have to learn. As I say that out loud, it was funny, as the vaccines were rolling out, I was sort of saying to people, “You know there’s no protocol here.” Functional medicine doctors have had years and years, and environmental medicine doctors, they’ve had years and years to work out how to deal with people who have certain types of exposures.

You know that if you experienced cobalt toxicity, this is what we’re going to do in this order because they’ve been doing that for a while. And just saying to people, if it turns out that turning your body to a spike protein producing machine is not the right plan, you could probably say at this point it’s not, there’s no protocol for this, right? We are going to be working it out on the fly and doctors like you are going to be working on the fly and trying to share best practices because this has never happened before. This is novelty and we don’t know what to do with that. So, I’m also grateful because I know that like many colleagues, people who are suffering from those types of issues end up in doctor’s offices like yours, and it takes brain and thinking and humility to be able to try and work out how to get people back to health. And I want to honor the role that you are doing in that as well.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Morrison: We’re in this together. Patients and practitioners, we all are going to get through it together, but there’s a lot of work to do, so let’s spread the word.

James Maskell: Thank you so much, Dr. Morrison. All right. We’ll have all the details of the show notes for the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and for The Morrison Center, for the Lifestyle Matrix Resource Center that can help you get up and running if you want to do a group detox when it starts to get cool from come out of winter and emerge into spring. Thanks so much for tuning in. This is The Evolution of Medicine Podcast. I’m your host, James Maskell, and we’ll see you next time.

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