Rob Kress, with a background in pharmacy and herbology, joins James for a compelling discussion on the critical need for men’s health-focused medical practices. This episode is meant to inspire practitioners to create successful, holistic men’s health practices that can effectively address the current men’s health crisis.
The conversation stems from the recognition that many existing practices are primarily geared toward women, leaving a gap in addressing men’s specific health needs. Rob Kress shares with listeners his program, Man Unmedicated, which is a 30+ hour training program designed to equip practitioners with both clinical knowledge and coaching skills. Man Unmedicated offers a dual approach to men’s health:
- Functional Medicine Training: Focuses on labs, hormones, medications, and other clinical aspects related to men’s health.
- Holistic Wellness Training: Covers the “seven peaks of wellness,” including physical health, movement, exercise, and emotional/mental well-being, providing a more comprehensive approach to men’s health.
Listen to the episode to hear more about:
- Opportunities that come with building men’s health-focused practices
- The importance of creating relatability and trust with male patients by sharing personal health journeys
- Strategies for building referral-based, community-centered practices around men’s health groups and coaching
- Ongoing mentorship and support to help practitioners implement this model in their communities
- And much more
The State of Men’s Health Functional Forum, August 2024
James Maskell:
Hello and welcome to the podcast. I am so excited today to share a topic and a podcast that has just come up over the last couple of weeks. If you watch the Functional Forum this month, you know that it was on Men’s Health. I’ll tell the story in this podcast of how I was introduced to Rob Kress, the original functional pharmacist, and the work that he is doing to help practitioners like you build men’s health focus practices on the clinical side, on the psychosocial side, the mentorship side, the facilitation side, I think there’s an amazing opportunity for practitioners to build practices for the modern man, and I think it’s desperately needed because men’s health is in crisis.
This podcast is brought to you by Rob’s program, Man Unmedicated, and if you go to goevomed.com/men, you can find out more about the offering. This is a clinical offering to be able to get practitioners up to speed with how to create men’s health, and I think there’s a lot of synergy here. So go and check that out. Thanks so much for tuning in. If you’re interested in the future of Men’s Health, I think this will be a great episode. Enjoy.
Alright, let’s jump into it. So a warm welcome to the podcast for the first time, Rob Kress, welcome Rob.
Rob Kress:
Thank you, James. How are you?
James Maskell:
I’m awesome and I’m really glad to connect. Just a little bit of backstory for the listeners. So just a week or so ago we did the Functional Forum on Men’s Health in Crisis. If you haven’t listened to that, I highly recommend to go back and check it out. We had Dr. Mark Holthouse, Dr. Geo Espinoza, and Dallas Hartwig on there. It really came up because I recognize that this is such a big issue and one of the things I see is that there’s so little focus on men’s health in the functional medicine world, and so much of functional medicine has been driven by the needs of women because women were the people buying functional medicine for a long time. But we have a men’s health in crisis, that was the name of the show. And it sounds like the name of that show resonates with the way you see the world, right?
Rob Kress:
Completely. I mean, I thought the timing was uncanny because just a few days later, I was given a presentation at University of Southern Indiana. The name of my talk was Men’s Health in Crisis, and it’s what I do and it’s what I envelope into. So yeah.
James Maskell:
Well, let’s go back a little bit. We were introduced by Lauren Castle, who calls herself the James Maskell of Pharmacy. We used to anyway, but yeah, she’s a connector, super connector and innovator in the functional medicine pharmacy space. And when she connected us, she said that when she was just getting started, you and Isabella Wentz, were really the only two people that she could see that were crossing those off. Obviously there were other people innovating, but probably on a community level and not on a digital level. And so give us the history. How did you end up finding functional medicine and how do you integrate it into your pharmacy practice and what was the sort of initiation for that?
Rob Kress:
Absolutely. It’s been a journey and I graduated pharmacy school in 94 and I was never really a pharmacist per se. I got into it just for, hey, job security, you can travel with it. I’ve lived all over with it, grateful for that. But I’ve always had the slant to natural medicine. I dove real deep into when I graduated into herbology, Michael and Leslie Tiara got into mind-body medicine. John Sarno was definitely one of my lead inspirations. So I kind started doing all this stuff on my own while working as a pharmacist. I was living at West at the time, so I was getting certified in reiki and everything you kind of imagine into it. Then I fell into, basically at one point I was like, you know what? I’m tired of this type of pharmacy. I know there’s a new pharmacy going on, or there could be one.
So I created my own compound in nutritional pharmacy and I opened a nutritional clinic in there within. Then I went for my CCN and fortunately, my first module I started at three. So I started out of order, which is kind of a theme in my life, but it was Jim Laval, and when I kind of heard his passion, it just let me up. I’m like, okay, this is where we can go with medicine. So that was a big impetus. But honestly, the mind body, my own personal health journey is what really got me into that. Led into, okay, the nutrition, the lifestyle, but really a power of the psychosomatic response. So from there, I grew my own clinic and pharmacy. I had anti-aging, longevity practitioners working out of there. We worked hand in hand. And then around 2010, I’m like, I think this is a thing called functional pharmacy.
We’re bringing function back into pharmacy. So I started that process there. It’s been an evolution of marketing strategies training. I teach live CES on functional medicine through Pharm Con, and now I’m training pharmacists in the realms of a beyond functional medicine process. So it’s called Beyond the Labs, and it’s just that we look at all the functional aspects, but I like to say labs don’t lie, but they never tell the whole story. So it’s a real deep dive into the patient, what they’re going through, what their life history has had and their way of being and their personality. So what really I enjoy is really helping pharmacists and other practitioners kind of see how you can approach them and customize their protocols that way. Not a believer of one protocol fits all sizes in all shapes. And then from there really came this big need for men’s health.
I saw it within my own self, not as much health, but the whole internal thing. What is it to become a leader, to be a man in the modern day? I look at things very primally. I love to bring things like Carl Jung into the aspect, Joseph Campbell, all that. And we’ve evolved, or we should be evolving from that traditional hunter gatherer I will provide and protect to. We’ve got a different age and our body’s been built on this primal chassis, but this world around us is not. So this has been the evolution of man unmedicated, which basically recognizes anything can be your medicine, anything can be your poison, it’s your relationship to it and why. So that’s a training program and how I walk also practitioners through that develop their own men’s health focus practice. Long story short. Yeah.
James Maskell:
No, that’s a great, and I can see the evolution of it as well and certainly felt that for myself. Over years of interviewing practitioners, it seemed that labs and supplements was a great entry point for practitioners, whether they be pharmacists or doctors or nurse practitioners or whatever trained the allopathic model, very familiar. But over time, as you start to work with people, you realize that the leverage is in really, like you said, the relationships to all kinds of things. That could be relationships to people, it could be relationships to habits, it could be relationships to tools. And that actually that’s where the transformative work happens, and that’s work that happens at that level leads down into the physiology as opposed to necessarily the other way around. What were some of the early signs that you saw in your pharmacy world and the early days of the clinic that led you eventually down this path?
Rob Kress:
Yeah, actually, I’m very fortunate and grateful. My partner, my personal and professional partner, Dr. Kay Corpus, we work with Soul of Medicine together. I was kind of doing the one foot in pharmacy one foot out for a while, and then finally, fortunately we’ve had blessings from Covid and it kicked me out completely. So I kind of waved goodbye to that pharmacy thing as Kay and I started working together in our functional medicine practice. She runs the women’s, I run the men’s, but we get to see the difference of the masculine and the feminine energy. I started to see within her patients also doing the lab consults, running the labs, creating the protocols, how they’re extending themselves, overextending themselves, just to balance out the relationship. They’re almost throwing themselves into almost a too masculine, which is stressing their nervous system out in the long run where the men, I’m starting to see the husbands, and this is always the thing, can you see my husband? But sometimes that’s not the best patient we want that man who’s maybe nudged into it but is literally raising his hand for himself. That’s recognizing there is something missing. So it was kind of this culmination of me and Kay working together in our own selves or own personal lives, how do we grow together, right? Recognizing these different energies, these different health, and then really seeing that’s a community around us and they’re asking for the same.
James Maskell:
Yeah. Yeah, that’s really interesting. Yeah, I could see those dynamics playing out. And I guess when did you start to realize, I guess that men needed a different brand of functional medicine and the norms that were inadvertently created were focused on around women and the way that women act and the way that women buy and the way that women operate?
Rob Kress:
Absolutely. So that has been kind a when you can’t connect the dots going forward, but when you look back, you see how it all made sense. So from a number of different factors, one through community, when I’ve put my beyond the labs training the other for pharmacists, we have some men that are in there and I realized we are connecting in a different way on a different level, especially when I do one-on-one consults recognizing how men in functional medicine is actually as a practitioner is even different than a woman in functional medicine. So we started to connect on those levels. As far as relationships with men, I was kind of shocked when I’d be sitting, we do a lot of online consults or a lot of Zoom calls with patients, but when I’m sitting across them, I started to recognize there was this need and this desire to literally connect.
It was beyond the stereotypes of that’s supposed to be a bad thing. I mean, I can’t tell you how many times I’d be doing a Zoom call with a dude in a pickup truck and then he gets teary eyed. We touch upon these things that are, I think they’ve been coming to the surface for a very long time, and we’re starting to see one and need to express ’em to share them, but also to be aware and recognize. So that’s when I started to see, okay, there’s a need out there. Not all men are calling for it. I mean, we see that some want to go through these quick shot clinics, maybe just boost the hormones, but more and more are looking for why am I feeling this way? How can I be a better partner? And also this purpose thing, I’m on this treadmill and I’m not happy about it.
James Maskell:
Yeah, absolutely. One of the things I found as I’ve been in men’s work now for the last five years is as I’ve gone deeper into the work myself, I found for whatever reason, men just more likely to open up into different levels of themselves in a way that you wouldn’t expect at a time that you wouldn’t expect compared to five years ago, where that wouldn’t necessarily happen.
Rob Kress:
Completely. And even, I mean, I don’t know if you have an opinion of the why, but I can’t even say most of the men that I’ve worked with, that I’ve seen this in, that they’ve been influenced by other areas. I just think there’s this time and this place in society, and maybe it’s a post covid thing that was a big thing that happened to society. I don’t know, but I absolutely have noticed them.
James Maskell:
I think definitely the call to meaning and purpose is something that is coming now. When I was an investment banker for a year out of school, I was forced to recognize at that point that a lifetime spent for someone else’s meaning and purpose was a waste. And I learned that I think through my father and other men that I had connected where I could see that the joy that came from working every day towards something that was meaningful. And ultimately that was the reason why I left and moved in the direction towards working in this field, which has been unbelievable in terms of the ability to feel one’s work making its way out into the world, and knowing that that work is then multiplied by practitioners out there making an impact at a community level. And now it’s interesting to see friends that I grew up with who have gone down a path of the professions now in their forties and unable to pull the ejector seat because they just have families and responsibilities and mortgages and so forth.
And just really grateful to have made that choice. And I guess part of what came up on the Functional Forum was that this sort of shift and mentorship from boyhood into manhood is missing. And that ultimately a lesson that might have been the kind of lesson that would be imparted by the elder, maybe not the father, but maybe the elder in society historically within a Dunbar’s number society of 150 in a trusted tribe. And with that missing and with all the other negative influences on men’s health, it seems like there is a lot of men who are searching for a way to align their life and have a mission and be connected to something that is greater than themselves.
Rob Kress:
Yeah, that’s such a great point. And first of all, kudos that you had the mentorship, the leadership to kind of guide you in that direction. And I think we’re starting to see it nowadays. There is this shift, I’m starting to see it in this 20 something and 30 something year olds, but what I also notice, what comes to mind is a Carl Young quote that basically says, if the path ahead of you is clear, most likely it’s not your own. And a lot of people are ushered down to go in that profession, go into conventional medicine, become a doctor, the path is set out for you. And when you’re 18, 19 coming out of college, it says like, okay, because that’s who my mentors are that are telling me this. But they necessarily, that’s coming from their eyes and their experience. And it makes me wonder, what if those messages are coming through to people who are making those decisions at that age of, okay, what really does light you up? What is your reason why? And could we get that leadership and mentorship in, much like Joseph Campbell said, it’s like you spend your life climbing up the ladder and then you realize it’s up against the wrong wall. So you are at that 40 or 50-year-old, it’s like, ah, I get it now, but it’s not too late.
James Maskell:
Yeah, exactly. Actually, the ladder analogy is what I remember that being a really critical moment where it was like, am I at the bottom of a ladder that I really want to climb? I love that. And one of the cool things about working in a bank with 5,000 people on the trading floor is that you could see who you’d be in 20 years if you stuck it down, the guy with the corner office, and you just kind of recognize that guy was not really necessarily aspirational for me, and that was the sort of ladder that I was on. So I’m glad that you shared that. So let’s talk about the brand man unmedicated, because I thought a lot about men’s health and I thought about how to make something that’s aspirational to men. Why did you choose the name man unmedicated, and what is it about being unmedicated that you think is something that can draw men or male practitioners or people who are looking to build businesses for and healing centers for men? Why did you choose that name?
Rob Kress:
Well, it rang true to me. Once again, I’ve been a pharmacist for decades, and I spent a lot of my time being that person that helps medicate people and seeing it from the pharmacy counter, whether it’s with an SSRI, whether it’s at the pain reliever you need to feel to heal. And I think something has happened when we talk about this evolution of meaning of purpose. So as I kind of looked back, one that ranked true very much for me and looking at the landscape ahead, I think people are starting to recognize that same feeling. Man, unmedicated basically is, we’re hardwired for a sympathetic nervous system response. I mean, if we go back to our primal ways, it’s fight or flight, but that was when stressors were acute, so on. As I said, we’re on this chassis, we’re in this design that’s meant to be in fight or flight as men, but when you bring that into the chronic fold or the chronic stress fold, then we’re being beat down.
We’re tired, we’re exhausted. Sometimes we don’t see a way out. So what I see is how we can often reach for, I like to say anything could be your medicine, anything could be your poison. So how many people, I mean, I’ve been in that cycle of overwork. I would basically work late into the night at the sake of other relationships within me because I was kind of drowning out this nervous system response that I wasn’t dealing with. One can do it through drugs, one can do it through alcohol, one can do it through social media, just binge watching Netflix. So I think the important thing is to heal. We need to recognize what this response is for us. And I just had a conversation today with a close friend of mine. I was walking down the street here and he gave up drinking that beer after work.
I mean, he’s a construction worker, he works outside. And I asked him what he noticed and he knows, well, first of all, how much of an habitual pattern it was, but I’m like, how did you feel? He’s like, I actually had this unsettledness within me. And I was recognizing I was looking to quell that through that. He goes, I’m more aware now. I’m more clear, I’m more focused. So I thought that was a perfect example just about two hours ago. But it’s not to say we can’t enjoy this stuff. Once again, it’s our relationship to it. So I love to look at the Blue Zones wine at five, where a couple glasses in a community setting while sharing with others is completely different than going home and polishing off a six pack by ourselves, watching the ballgame. So it was kind of seeing society be in this realm.
It was seeing myself, my own path of what really lights me up and what would give me meaning, and am I shutting myself down from that? I see a lot of things too. I think men are afraid of their own potential. I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced that, but I see sometimes it’s in a self-sabotage way, and it’s these things that they do to hold them from that next level. That’s why I call it the seven peaks of transformative wellness because oftentimes we’re climbing up to that peak, the clouds come through, and that’s usually distractions in life. And then we retreat. So I was seeing this broad-based, and I’m like, you know what? This is the training because we can look at ourselves physiologically, and we need to dial in our hormones. We need to eat, we need to sleep. That’s really important. We need to have these relationships to prepare ourselves for the journey. And that journey takes us to our thoughts, our emotions, our intuition, our creativity, our relationships, and that purpose and legacy that we want to build.
James Maskell:
What role do you see for men’s work in that as far as peer to peer men connection, and how do you see that rolling out into, let’s say, an optimal business model?
Rob Kress:
Yeah. Well, I mean, I see there’s two elements to it. There’s the functional medicine element to it, and then there’s literally this coaching element and the coaching element is getting men’s groups together. It’s getting that share, and it’s actually bringing in the ways of, okay, what are the challenges we’re seeing? What are the hiccups? What are the roadblocks? How can we overcome that? And we’ve got a community, and that’s from a practitioner point of view, but we can all look around the community around us, and people are raising their hand for this, and when you see them get engaged with it, you see improvements in their health. Let me ask you this. So you’ve been kind of in men’s work for a number of years. Have you seen improvements in your own physical health?
James Maskell:
Yeah, look, I mean I’ve seen it in myself and I’ve seen it in the man. I mean, my own experience of it leads me to believe that there is a new standard of care emerging. And I wrote the book on this too, which is that essentially the way that we’ve done functional medicine historically has been way too inefficient to become a standard of care. Not everyone can have an hour and a half visit with their provider. The mass doesn’t work out. So you have to organize things in the right way. And the convergence that I’m seeing in the men’s world and in everything else too, is that the optimal model for the future will be that there will be the group. And the group is really what drives the behavior change, the safety, the connection, all of the things that are needed to keep a healthy human because that costs nothing and is super valuable to everyone and is a consistent pulse of connection that is needed to maintain healthy behaviors and have accountability and support.
And that the role of the practitioner then becomes somewhat secondary. And that’s essentially tweaking the protocol. And either that might be drugs, that might be if it’s man unmedicated de-prescribing, but also then with supplements and so forth to tweak on that end. Because ultimately what I just shared, there is a standard of care that could be delivered to everyone and is efficient enough to be deployed inside payer systems that have yet to embrace these kind of pieces. And so my experience with men’s group is a reaffirming part of that, which is that the amount of medicine that the men in my group need is drastically less than the amount of medicine of a control group, of exactly the same people with the same ages and the same conditions. And that’s because the mental, emotional, psychospiritual and physical needs of the men are taken care of by the fact that they are motivated to make change held accountable to make change.
And so I’ve seen what looks like getting off medication, losing weight, quitting drinking, I mean drinking for me, I grew up in England, just like you said there. I think that the British drinking culture is very unhealthy. I lived in New York for a number of years, and I think the drinking culture in New York is really unhealthy. It’s not Blue Zone, couple of wines a night, certainly, and that was a very tricky thing for me to navigate. But having a group of men where that was a cultural norm and that was just something that most of us were on the path towards having a different relationship with, has made it easier for me to have a significant change in that. And that was tricky too, because early in the Functional Forum, part of what we were doing was trying to create fun aspirational places to be, and drinking wine was a part of that and community.
And even in the pre-parties that we’ve done now Institute for Functional Medicine’s annual conference, it started off with parties and then it was pickleball and now it’s vagus nerve healing because ultimately, I want to be in support of things that are taking people in the right direction and supporting people. And so that’s really, yeah, it’s been my experience that it’s a critical missing piece of support and accountability. And it’s the main reason why I wrote this book because I recognize that most practitioners could do with setting up structures for their patients to have peer-to-peer accountability for. And one of the bigger reasons is that I think, stop me if I’m wrong here, but I feel like part of the reason maybe why a practitioner like yourself was overworked and that nervous system is that there were so many people relying on you. You had the weight of all of those people’s hopes, dreams, and health all on your shoulders. And to be able to take some of that weight and disperse it on a group gives you an opportunity to know that, okay, those guys are going to be good now because they’ve got each other. And I think there’s a lot of weight of the world that practitioners carry around because so many people are relying on them to be a stable point in their life with regard to their health trajectory.
Rob Kress:
When I hear this playback, I’m going to be rewinding to that statement you just made. That is so accurate, and it’s so true because you don’t want to disappoint, you don’t want to let down. You feel responsible for that, and it builds up. It’s kind of like that saying the rock for everyone, but sometimes that rock is slippery, but when you can kind of expand that and the group can actually, and what you’re doing is you’re holding space for the group, which is entirely much easier, a lot easier than putting all of someone’s burdens on your shoulders in the expectation that you’re going to fix them. So absolutely. One point too that I’ve seen also is that where men step into it, it’s literally, it’s beyond the veil of the ego and it’s stepping into vulnerability. And there’s a lot of medicine in that just when you can kind of let go of something that you’ve wanted to share or it’s been on your mind or you haven’t even felt safe to do it in front of your partner because you might seem less than or weak or whatever it might be. So all good points. Thank you.
James Maskell:
So yeah, give us a little bit of an idea. So if I’m a practitioner now, part of what I brought up on the functional forum is that I think there is a moment arriving where a practitioner who decided, Hey, I want to build a medical practice, focus around the men needs of men. And I think there’s an opportunity now that maybe didn’t exist five or 10 years ago to build that sort of successful practice. Then in our practice accelerator we would say, okay, you’ve got to find a niche. And it was very, very few practitioners who were like, I’m going to serve men. This is what problems they’re having. This is how I’m going to solve them. This is my unique selling proposition. But I think for the reasons that you spoke about and the reasons that came up on the functional forum, I do think that there is a moment in time right now where someone could build a really aligned and coherent men’s health brand and build a successful clinic and be at the beginning of a really amazing journey.
Most of the brands that are out there are women focused, parsley health, really women focused and all the BodyLogicMD and those kind of female hormone brands. And kind of as was mentioned on Monday in that Forum, a lot of the men’s health stuff is really just like testosterone pellets, which is not really functional in any meaningful way, even though it may be helpful in the short run. So I guess give us a sort of an overview of if you had someone who was listening to this and was like, I want to build that, how would the Man Unmedicated program guide someone in that direction towards having that sort of practice?
Rob Kress:
Absolutely. So there’s two steps. One step is the training, training of the functional medicine component. So it’s the labs. I have my intro, which is the Men’s Health in Crisis. So we go through everything from cardiometabolic, we look at adrenal stress, sex hormone, thyroid. We know how it all matters. We look at what are the current medications doing to them, how is it taking their vitality away? How is that statin drug draining their testosterone impossibly? And we’re just kind of chasing symptoms. But then the training goes into those seven peaks of wellness. So we train physical health, we talk about movement, we talk about exercise, we talk about downregulation, and we do a training that’s based on that. It’s 30-plus hours. Someone can go through it on average about four months, three to four months on that training. But then at that point it’s like mentorship and facilitator, how basically they have a model that they can actually take to their community.
They can also partner with us as well. They can basically use our patient slash layperson entry into how do I go through the 16 week program of man unmedicated? How do I get a step-by-step, whether it’s on a DIY platform or if it’s using them as the coach? I do a lot of coaching programs with my practitioner clients because I feel that’s a very efficient way to go. But now it’s taken that coaching one and it’s also expanding it into that group, the men’s group and how we can get together, I mean virtually, but also we utilize great wonderful aspects of technology like WhatsApp. We’ve got a strong vibrant community on there. And then men can also take it into the physical realm. We’ve done that even in our location here, little men’s group weekends, John James Park right down the road from me. So we walk people through that whole process. So it’s basically the learning, it’s the implementation of practice and it’s even on the facilitator and where can we take it next?
James Maskell:
Right. And how do you recommend that if you are in the business of trying to bring men into the practice, how would you think about how to send out a signal into the community that we are doing this and this is for them? How do you overcome that sort of? I would say that the thing that maybe why people haven’t done this is they think let men only take action when something is desperately wrong and they won’t be proactive about their health. How do we get over that?
Rob Kress:
Men have to see relatability. So I honestly think it works best coming from a man that’s been through their own journey and is willing to share meaning that practitioner. So that’s one of the coaching techniques I do is with the men, I’ll give them some topics, but how can they make that share in their own? Because oftentimes when you put that out there, someone’s like, shit, that’s me. And they start to notice that and it helps break through. The stigma of men don’t have issues because we know men too. Men are going online to get their Cialis. Men are just going to these clinics in and out to get their shot. So when they can actually see a leader, a practitioner, someone who’s gone through the process, be vulnerable in their own right and honest and offer that, that opens the doors, men oftentimes aren’t.
So what’s really interesting in our practice, men will, I’ll just see them drop it. They’ve got a lot of trust and they’ve got a lot of faith. So when we offer the coaching program, they don’t need to think about it. Women tend to think a little more about it is what we’ve experienced in our practice, but then what happens is the referral components. So one man to a man that’s big trust, and that goes, I mean, referrals go far really in any way. So there’s a bunch of different levels we see on how to expand that, but it really starts with the individual and their story and how they can share that.
James Maskell:
Beautiful. Well, look, I’m really excited to do this podcast and to share, and we’ll have all the show notes in the show notes. We’ll have the links to get in touch with Rob and get connected to the Man Unmedicated program. I hope that this time next year we are able to feature some of the graduates that have been able to listen to this podcast, get excited, go about building a practice that could be synergistic with what they’re doing now. Maybe it’s a new practice, maybe it’s a new arm, maybe it’s a new practitioner joining the practice, but to really go out and create a very valuable service in the community for men. And I think there’s an exponential side of it because if it’s a referral based marketing, you see that if you just get a few men in and they have a great outcome and they can then refer to their men groups and other groups forward, I think it could be a real movement locally.
And to come back to the first thing we spoke about, there is a men’s health crisis. It’s happening in your town, it’s happening in your city, it may be happening in your household. And ultimately, I think that we as a community can do a lot to support men, but it is going to take building functional medicine in a way that is responsive to the needs of the modern man. And much of that psychospiritual effort can be delivered in community group and alongside clinical care. And I’m also of the feeling that I think we can hook men into numbers like labs and improving those numbers, and then over time help them realize that the biggest leverage on those numbers are is the work and that that’s a reason to go there. So Rob, thanks so much for your pioneering work. Thanks so much for being on the podcast, really grateful to be connected and look forward to some interesting next steps together.
Rob Kress:
Absolutely. Thanks for having me, James. I really appreciate it.
James Maskell:
Great. Well, we’ve been here with Rob Kress. He is the functional pharmacist. He’s also the founder of Man Unmedicated, and we’re going to have all the links in the show notes if you want to be connected.
This is the Evolution of Medicine podcast. If you haven’t listened to the Functional Forum this month, go back. You can find it on the website, on the YouTube channel, some great insight there as well. And look forward to seeing what you do with this information. Thanks so much for tuning in, and we’ll see you next time.
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